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Old 03-05-2004, 11:04 AM   #31
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I believe that it is the parents responsiblity to teach their children about sex, however I do realize that many fail in this duty. I would be interested in seeing some statistics as to whether these planned parenthood and sex education classes actually are worthwhile in preventing unwanted pregnancies, diseases, etc.
As a parent, I agree, it is my responsibility to teach my children about sex but being a parent does not make me an expert. There are many books out there than can help but the best one I found is be Meg Hickling and it is called 'Speaking of Sex - What Your Children Need To Know And When They Need To Know It'. This book helped me answer the beginning questions from my children but also told me when to tell my children things.

In this book she speaks of many reasons to educate your children about sex. For me the most important reason is that knowledge is protection. Protection from sexual predators, diseases and unplanned pregnancies.

At the beginning of her book she mentions a study, published in Autumn 1998 by the United Nations, it reads "a study done around the world said sexual health education tends to encourage students to wait to have sex until they are older. The report also said that students who have had sexual health education have fewer partners, fewer unplanned pregnancies, and fewer sexually transmitted diseases than those who have not had this kind of education."
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As a parent, I agree, it is my responsibility to teach my children about sex but being a parent does not make me an expert. There are many books out there than can help."

I agree with that. I went out when my oldest daughter (now 14) was 9 and bought a book called "what's happening to my body". I took it home and just put it out on the coffee table in the living room without saying a word. Once it disappeared I took things from there. I am proud to say that my girls (I have 2) are both very open and willing to talk with me about literally anything. My oldest had health class in the 5th grade at school where they were taught all the stuff she already knew. She said to me "Mom, I think the 5th grade is way too old to learn this stuff." and I agree. She also saw all the kids in the class who knew absolutely nothing because their parents left it to the school to teach them. That is sad.
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And then there are the parents who not only don't tell their children, they won't let the school tell them either. There's a 14-year-old waiting to give birth!
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And then there are the parents who not only don't tell their children, they won't let the school tell them either. There's a 14-year-old waiting to give birth!
Very true. And that's too bad. I learned most of what I know about these matters on my own. My parents were like the ones we're discussing, not teaching it at home, at least in the way they should have, and in order to be allowed to go to the classes at school, I ended up faking my mothers signature
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I was very lucky when it came to sexual education. My mother was a nurse and told me everything. I remember telling some of my friends things and they just didn't believe me.
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Both of my parents were alcoholics and taught me diddly squat about most things. I learnt about the whole birds and the bees thing from school. My adolescent visage was also highly effective at keeping the boys away. Just as well really.
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Some 400 to 700 fifth- through ninth-graders attend the half-day Nobody's Fool conference in Waco each July. The program never mentions abortion, according to Planned Parenthood. The youngsters receive a book with chapters on homosexuality and masturbation, as well as illustrations of couples having sex, people examining their naked bodies and a boy putting on a condom.

I believe the parents should have been required to give written permission before this material was presented to young girls. Ten year olds? This is too much information in my opinion.


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Some Girl Scout mothers called it soft-core porn. "It embarrassed me to look at it with my husband," said parent Shannon Donaldson.

People have the right to set their own boundaries. Some of us may not agree, but it is their choice.
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Again, this was not a Girl Scout activity...it was a Planned Parenthood conference for 5th through 9th graders. I would be almost certain to bet that parent permission was required.

Yes, it might seem innapropriate for 10 years olds (boys AND girls) but not so much when you realize that there are 11 year old girls having babies.
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Interesting enough this conference that is so immoral was supported by this Waco Baptist church;

http://www.lakeshorewaco.org/nofool.htm

Apparently they were not the only ones;

"Nobody's Fool" at Center of Girl Scout Controversey
Julie Shelton

Planned Parenthood Education Director Pat Stone said, " This has been a regretable situation because I think kids have been brought into an adult conversation."

The conversation Planned Parenthood Education Director Pat Stone is talking about is the controversey over
the Girl Scouts sponsorship of Planned Parenthood's program Nobody's Fool, an annual educational conference
aimed at equipping adolescents to deal with issues of sex and sexuality.

Stone said, "Information is key in kids being able to make more repsonsible choices, smarter decisions."

But the program draws fire from groups that think it fails to stress abstinence adequately, and from
abortion opponents who are at odds with Planned Parenthood.
That's what's at the root of the call for a boycott of Girl Scout cookie sales.
Girl Scout Executive Director Beth Vivio says 2 out of the 200 Waco-area troops have pulled out in the wake of
the call for the boycott.

Vivio said, "We try not to take a stand on these kind of issues, but we really want to make it available as a resource for our famiies."

Nobody's Fool is an annual half-day conference for boys and girls in grades 5 through 9.
It started in 1989 and attracts from between 4 and 7 hundred area children every year.
Family life educators serve as instructors and participants are grouped by age and gender.
It's designed to provide young people with information about the changes of puberty, dating, peer pressure, sexually transmitted diseases and aids and pregnancy prevention.
And it's designed to foster communication between children and parents about sex.
Abortion is not part of the curriculum.

Stone said, "I've heard comments from the kids that say the only time we heard about abortion was from protestors on the front porch."

Twelve area churches also support the program, including Waco's First Presbyterian.
Jimmie Johnson is the senior minister there.

Johnson said, "I support those in the community who are in favor of absitance based curriculm,but i also like the fact that not all children as they grow are gonna behave repsonsibly."

Supporters say that's why Nobody's Fool is needed, in order to educate before it's too late.

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I think they should boycott these churches as well.

It's ashame because only the girls and the delicious Peanut Butter Patties were hurt.
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Johnson said, "I support those in the community who are in favor of absitance based curriculm,but i also like the fact that not all children as they grow are gonna behave repsonsibly."
Exactly. Anyone who thinks that just repeatedly telling kids NOT to do something will effectively keep them from doing it in the long run has never raised/met/seen/been vaguely aware of a child before.
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Again, this was not a Girl Scout activity...it was a Planned Parenthood conference for 5th through 9th graders. I would be almost certain to bet that parent permission was required.

Yes, it might seem innapropriate for 10 years olds (boys AND girls) but not so much when you realize that there are 11 year old girls having babies.

it looks like parents HAD to sign their kids up and WRITE a check.


the parents have a right not to want their children presented with this information. their complaint carries little credibility if they blindly sign up and write checks.

Nobodys Fool info here
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It would be interesting to see what information was provided to parents before they signed up and paid for the conference....
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I still don't see what the offended parents are accomplishing by disbanding the Girl Scout Troops. Who is really being punished?
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It seems like it's the kids who are getting screwed, not the offending parties.
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It seems like it's the kids who are getting screwed
Interesting wording...
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