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Old 03-16-2003, 03:21 PM   #1
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Get ready.........

I am very nervous. I can see it now, someone turns on the TV at work and...............


Bush Says Monday 'A Moment of Truth' on Iraq

Updated 2:02 PM ET March 16, 2003


LAJES AIRBASE, Azores (Reuters) - President Bush said at an Iraq crisis summit that Monday was "a moment of truth for the world" and he would push for an Iraqi interim authority to build a free Iraq.

"We concluded that tomorrow is a moment of truth for the world," he told a news conference on Sunday in the Azores joined by the leaders of Britain and Spain.

The U.S. president did not elaborate but Monday was the deadline the United States and its allies had given Iraqi President Saddam Hussein for disarming.

"The Iraqi regime will disarm itself or the Iraqi regime will be disarmed by force -- and the regime has not disarmed itself," Bush said.

"We will push as quickly as possible for an Iraqi interim authority to draw upon the talents of Iraq's people to rebuild their nation. We are committed to the goal of a unified Iraq with democratic institutions.

"To achieve this vision, we will work closely with the international community, including the United Nations and our coalition partners.

"If military force is required, we will quickly seek new Security Council resolutions to encourage broad participation in the process of helping the Iraqi people to build a free Iraq."

Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar and British Prime Minister Tony Blair told the news conference said they were committed to the creation of a Palestinian state alongside Israel.
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I was just watching this on News 24.

The one argument that's really annoying to me right now is this idea that "we have to go to war to disarm Saddam in order to fulfil the will of the UN." Now, the UN Security Council has clearly REJECTED the use of military force at this time, so please explain to me how in the world the US/UK/Spain can claim to be using force to uphold the will of the UN? If they go to war then they are violating the will of the UN and doing a huge amount of damage to the position of the UN in world affairs
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They are using the UN in a weird way. They are using the resolution that was approved in November.
At this point any excuse for a war. I have never been this scared about world events. And I was around for the Cold War. The fear factor for that was peanuts compared to this.
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I know what you mean, verte

The events in the world right now are pretty terrifying. I keep hearing all these horrifying reports about terrorists who are ready to launch attacks if this war goes ahead. Not to mention the fact that it could cause real chaos in the Middle East and everyone always said that if there was another world war it would start there. And half the countries in the world (not literally) have nuclear weapons now, enough to just destroy the world ten times over.

So...there are my irrational fears about war with Iraq. I just keep reminding myself that no matter how scary it looks from this cozy town in the UK, it must be a million time more frightening to be a person in Baghdad, knowing that in just a few days there could be thousands of missiles being dropped on your home. :cry:
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So...there are my irrational fears about war with Iraq. I just keep reminding myself that no matter how scary it looks from this cozy town in the UK, it must be a million time more frightening to be a person in Baghdad, knowing that in just a few days there could be thousands of missiles being dropped on your home. :cry:
You know FizzingWhizzbees, whenever I read about Iraqi people nowadays I can't help but thinking about them like those men/women sentenced to death penalty in US, waiting to be executed, you know like caracthers of those Hollywood movies Dead Man Walking and Monster's Ball.

For you and the british people who have protested so firmly against Tony Blair and his "sincerely wrong" decision, some of my all time favourite non-U2 songs, all written by great british songwriters:

Imagine, by John Lennon

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one


Brothers in Arms, by Mark Knopfler

These mist covered mountains
Are a home now for me
But my home is the lowlands
And always will be
Some day you'll return to
These valleys and these farms
And you'll no longer burn
To be brothers in arms
Through these fields of destruction
Baptisms of fire
I've watched all your suffering
As the battles raged higher
And though they did hurt me so bad
In the fear and alarm
you did not desert me
My brothers in arms

There's so many different worlds
So many different suns
And we have just one world
But we live in different ones

Now the sun's gone to hell
And the moon's riding high
Let me bid you farewell
Every man has to die
But it's written in the starlight
And every line in your palm
We're fools to make war
On our brothers in arms

Russians, by Sting

In Europe and America, there's a growing feeling of hysteria
Conditioned to respond to all the threats
In the rhetorical speeches of the Soviets
Mr. Krushchev said we will bury you
I don't subscribe to this point of view
It would be such an ignorant thing to do
If the Russians love their children too

How can I save my little boy from Oppenheimer's deadly toy
There is no monopoly in common sense
On either side of the political fence
We share the same biology
Regardless of ideology
Believe me when I say to you
I hope the Russians love their children too

There is no historical precedent
To put the words in the mouth of the President
There's no such thing as a winnable war
It's a lie that we don't believe anymore
Mr. Reagan says we will protect you
I don't subscribe to this point of view
Believe me when I say to you
I hope the Russians love their children too

We share the same biology
Regardless of ideology
What might save us, me, and you
Is that the Russians love their children too
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I know what you mean, verte

The events in the world right now are pretty terrifying. I keep hearing all these horrifying reports about terrorists who are ready to launch attacks if this war goes ahead. Not to mention the fact that it could cause real chaos in the Middle East and everyone always said that if there was another world war it would start there. And half the countries in the world (not literally) have nuclear weapons now, enough to just destroy the world ten times over.

So...there are my irrational fears about war with Iraq. I just keep reminding myself that no matter how scary it looks from this cozy town in the UK, it must be a million time more frightening to be a person in Baghdad, knowing that in just a few days there could be thousands of missiles being dropped on your home. :cry:
I know. Damn.
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I love those songs and I know exactly what you mean about the Iraqi people, follower

I can't stop thinking about how awful it must be to be in Iraq now and have no way of getting out. I saw a news report the other day which said that anyone in Baghdad who is wealthy enough to afford to leave has already gone. It's only people who have no way out who are still there.

I can't help but imagine what it would be like if I lived there, if I knew that in a few days time my home might be destroyed, that me or the people I love might be hurt or even killed. I can't stop imagining what my neighbourhood would look like if it had thousands of bombs and missiles dropped on it. And that's just me sitting in my safe little UK town knowing nothing like that will happen. And yet it still almost makes my cry when I think about it. Honestly, whenever I think I can't do any more anti-war campaigning, that's what's motivating me to keep doing it, because that's what's at stake here.
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This stuff has been motivating my protesting, too. There is going to be a most horrid humanitarian disaster with hundreds of thousands of refugees fleeing the bombs. Good grief, everyone in Baghdad is living under a sentence of death. I don't think my little neck of the woods here in the U.S. would be attacked. No one around here has any power, we had our military bases shut down years ago, but we are still nervous about losing jobs. I'm afraid the economy is going to go to hell in a haybasket for everyone. This sucks.
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I guess that there's no way around a war. Life is going to get even more messed up than before, especially in NYC and Washington. I wonder if Bin Laden knew how much he was going to mess up the world after 9/11.All of this ties in to terrorism, and we're only more aware of terrorism b/c of him. If only we could go back to the pre 9/11 days, where you could go somewhere and not have to worry about there being a life changing incident.
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Brothers in Arms, by Mark Knopfler

These mist covered mountains
Are a home now for me
But my home is the lowlands
And always will be
Some day you'll return to
These valleys and these farms
And you'll no longer burn
To be brothers in arms
Through these fields of destruction
Baptisms of fire
I've watched all your suffering
As the battles raged higher
And though they did hurt me so bad
In the fear and alarm
you did not desert me
My brothers in arms

There's so many different worlds
So many different suns
And we have just one world
But we live in different ones

Now the sun's gone to hell
And the moon's riding high
Let me bid you farewell
Every man has to die
But it's written in the starlight
And every line in your palm
We're fools to make war
On our brothers in arms

I like those songs... the Mark Knopfler one is perfect for the mood...

fools...

fools...

So, does anyone have news about that meeting? Im not able to get any news from the Azores, those tiny islands in the Atlantic sea, where so-called leaders are deciding about about so many peoples lives...

fools...
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So, does anyone have news about that meeting? Im not able to get any news from the Azores, those tiny islands in the Atlantic sea, where so-called leaders are deciding about about so many peoples lives...

fools...
For those who can read in portuguese there is updated and full coverage here:

http://www.rtp.pt/index.php?article=47767&visual=5

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Old 03-16-2003, 06:32 PM   #13
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Joni Mitchell

By the time we got to Woodstock
We were half a million strong
And everywhere there was song and celebration
And I dreamed I saw the bombers
Riding shotgun in the sky
And they were turning into butterflies
Above our nation

We are stardust
We are golden
And we've got to get ourselves
Back to the garden
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Nothing new, Bush blackmails the UN again

"last chance for the United Nations"

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Screw it, there's no hope.
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