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Old 03-08-2002, 07:20 PM   #16
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as opposed to Bill Clinton who was always between two legs

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The whole point is that I'm not here just with my head up his ass as many Liberals here on this board continue to write and slap down about us republicans.
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So, you're saying not only are you Captain Conservative, you are also a liberal hater? Congrats! You're just like the conservatives in here that think liberals up their asses. With attitudes like this we aren't EVER going to make progress (the anti of congress). Biases are one thing but grouping people together and assuming they all have the same belief then hating them all because they don't agree with you is quite another.

z edge: oh my, I agree with you. I'm an Independent, and yes I think that more Americans should realize that America is a multi-party system. It's really quite difficult to get one going that's not extreme and really liberal or really conservative though. And once a good one does get going, it doesn't really get government funding to run in campaigns (reforms, we need them, we need them NOW), so they never really make it to power...unless they are ex pro-wrestlers who wear pink feather boas....ug.

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Tax cuts, to the degree that most of the extreme right wants, are unrealistic. We have a government to run, we have an expensive war to run, 13% of our budget goes to paying off Reagan's uber-debt each year, and, as shown with Sept 11th, we have unexpected and expensive twists and turns.

You can live in a fantasy world without "welfare," but, statistically, you will be a "welfare recipient" yourself if you get unemployed and claim unemployment benefits, or if you get old enough to claim Social Security and Medicare. You'll continually whine about your taxes, but I'm sure you'll milk these programs when you need them. Or, if a natural disaster comes, you'll want federal disaster aid. Or if the federal highways have big potholes...you'll whine why they aren't fixed.

We have crumbling cities, crumbling roads, crumbling schools, the need for security, the need for a military, the need for a bureaucracy to enforce laws, etc. Yet, despite the fact that you use or depend on the existence of these services, you still whine that your taxes are too high. That's certainly true, but that is the fault of the Republican Party. When they eliminated the tax burden from businesses, they had to shift the burden back to individuals. While businesses paid 90% of the taxes in the 1950s, they only pay 10% now. That means that individuals paid 10% of the taxes in the 1950s and pay 90% of them now.

And the near-anarchy of libertarianism is just as much theoretical hogwash as communism. It may look good on paper, but it won't work. The economic anarchy of the 19th century led to uncompetitive monopolies, abused/overworked/underpaid labor, and utility instability.

Regulations were put into place to make this government operate for the people, and now you want to repeal them? You'll see more "Enrons." Next, business will stop giving benefits, while not raising your pay. Executives will run off with your retirement funds, because the regulations won't be there.

Deregulation doesn't work and tax cuts, while nice in a fantasy world, are irresponsible at this point. What we need to do is reshift part of the individual tax burden back to businesses. But you'll never see that with a Republican, and, as such, as individuals, you'll never see a substantial, yet responsible tax cut from one either.

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You're just like the conservatives in here that think liberals up their asses.

Captain Conservative Eh?.. Unoriginal.. Childish, but Unoriginal.

If you read my post you would have seen that is not what I am saying, No where have I ever said 'I Hate' Liberals.. It's telling on you that you would be the one to jump to that conclusion.

And also.. Explain your Quote at the top???? It makes no sense.

My political affiliation has no bearing on anything whatsoever in this thread.. All that matters is that there are issues I disagree with George W. on, to refute the claims and statements by many liberals in this forum that I and other republicans follow W with a blind eye in a Pied Piper fashion.
You are completely missing the entire theme of the post.

See the big picture... wait.. See the Picture.

Oh the days of High School..

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Lemonite, you really need to email me @ Z69edge@aol.com

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You can live in a fantasy world without "welfare," but, statistically, you will be a "welfare recipient" yourself if you get unemployed and claim unemployment benefits, or if you get old enough to claim Social Security and Medicare.
I don't think you can equate receiving unemployment, social security, or medicare with receiving welfare. You have to pay in to these programs before benefiting from them. Welfare's only prerequisites are incompetance and laziness.
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I don't think you can equate receiving unemployment, social security, or medicare with receiving welfare. You have to pay in to these programs before benefiting from them. Welfare's only prerequisites are incompetance and laziness.
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im Libertarian, i dont see things in a bipolar fashion like the media brainwashes us to believe in only a 2 party system...

to hell with that... both republicans and democrats, that are in power, are part of the same country club who look after their own even if they are in another party.

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Whats the name of that country club again??

I'd like to go check this one out!
*imagines going to a country club and seeing both Dick's Gephart and Cheney sitting at the same table throwing back a few while Colin Powell and Senator Daschle play pool as President Bush dances with Hillary Clinton and Monica Lewinsky tabledances for Ted Kennedy, Don Rumsfeld, and his "boys"*

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But having said that, no, he can't walk on water. I think he'd have trouble finding the lake, then when he does he'd get pissed off that he can't walk on it, then entirely blame the lake, apparently without even realising that half of the reason why he can't walk on it is his problem, not the lakes.
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Faced with the problem of the lake, George has two options:
1. Spend millions of $ on a super icing machine that will freeeze the lake and kill lots of wildlife, and doubtless cut down many trees and destory natural habitats, so he can walk on it. Because he can.
2. Drain the damn lake, with pretty much the above consequences, and again, becaus he can.



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compromise is good, but not when it involves lying and theft.." in the name of the common good" we hereby volunteer you to fork over half your money so we can give it to this person or entity.

besides when the president compromises to prove he's being president to all constituents... look to see who he's actually compromising with.... he's arguing with other politicians on how best to spend our money. they dont argue over whether or not to reduce the amount they spend.. it always grows and grows... thats why repubs in power are no different than demos...
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Faced with the problem of the lake, George has two options:
1. Spend millions of $ on a super icing machine that will freeeze the lake and kill lots of wildlife, and doubtless cut down many trees and destory natural habitats, so he can walk on it. Because he can.
2. Drain the damn lake, with pretty much the above consequences, and again, becaus he can.


Joke all you want, just remember this thread next time ya'll liberals try and accuse us of blindly following W without any investigation into his policies/stances on issues..

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1. My political affiliation has no bearing on anything whatsoever in this thread.. All that matters is that there are issues I disagree with George W. on, to refute the claims and statements by many liberals in this forum that I and other republicans follow W with a blind eye in a Pied Piper fashion.

2. Oh the days of High School..

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1. Oh, I see the importance of this thread now....to congatulate you on having an independent thought? YAY! HOORAY FOR LEMONITE! HE CAN THINK BY HIMSELF!! I got that picture, you didn't get mine. What I'm saying is what was the purpose of mentioning this? You're telling us that you can think for yourself and disagree with our President even though he's in your party? Again, congrats to that.

2. So, I was the childish one for dubbing you Captain Conservative (which was in sarcasm might I add, but that is a difficult thing to convey over the internet) right? Is that what you're saying? 'Cos this isn't childish at all...

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1. Oh, I see the importance of this thread now....to congatulate you on having an independent thought?

Geezus.. You just don't want to see the issue at hand.. This is not a back patting issue, It never was, I'm sorry you have failed to see that.. I've explained my reason for this thread multiple times above, If you cannot see it, I will say a prayer for you because there is no subterfuge here or any game playing, I'm pointing out a contradiction made by liberals about us Conservatives in regards to W Bush, to give them pause the next time we are accused for 'Blindly following W as if he can do no wrong.'

That's the issue, It's a shame you don't want to see it that way, because that is the only way it is in this thread.

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