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Old 09-24-2003, 01:30 AM   #76
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deep,

"He led a successful campaign in Bosnia."

Wrong. He led a successful campaign in Kosovo!


"Maybe he learned some things in that meeting that contributed to our success."

Well lets hear it then!


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"Then why don't we start comparing what Bush said during his campaign to get elected versus what he has actually done as president? "Waffle" would be too kind of a word."

At least he was consistent when running for the election. Obviously being in the office itself and dramatic world events to including the worse attack on US soil in US history can easily change some idea's held during a campaign. I would not want to elect any President who decided he had to stick to original campaign promises even if National Security and other un forseen events dictated otherwise.
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Old 09-24-2003, 01:43 AM   #77
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Here are the latest poll numbers from USA TODAY/CNN/ Gallop Poll of registered Democratic voters.

Clark 22%

Dean 13%

Kerry 11%

Gepthardt 11%

Lieberman 10%
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He led a successful campaign in Bosnia.

Maybe he learned some things in that meeting that contributed to our success.

nit pick all you want.
I somewhat posted that earlier not sure if anyone paid attention
Yea, good point
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"I somewhat posted that earlier not sure if anyone paid attention"

It is incorrect though. Wes Clark was the commander of the Kosovo operation, not the operation in Bosnia
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"I somewhat posted that earlier not sure if anyone paid attention"

It is incorrect though. Wes Clark was the commander of the Kosovo operation, not the operation in Bosnia
True, but he was the still the commander of NATO.
Regardless, I'm reading paranoia in here concerning Wesley Clark of him meeting a known war criminal, again I argue strategic reasons. So that makes Wesley Clark a war criminal? B.S.
This guy is probably the most suited candidate for President, he has experience as a leader and he's an academic. Now, those have to be top criteria for the Presidency. Something Bush is remotely familiar with
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Bush on the campaign trail: "One way we can be seen as the ugly American is to go around to other countries and tell them how they ought to be doing things"

Bush after elected: "We are going to go into Iraq, remove Saddam Hussein and set up a democracy"

There's a difference between changing your mind due to circumstances that occur and completely changing a foreign policy philosophy.

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And which are you accusing Bush of in your post?
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And which are you accusing Bush of in your post?
That's amusing.

And I'm not accusing, just letting ol' GW's words and actions speak for themselves.

Republican's brush this off as nothing, but Clark had a few days of indecision on whether he supported the Iraq war and he's the biggest waffler to ever live. Hypocrisy has it's benifits i suppose.

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No one has accused Clark of being the biggest waffler to ever live.

It is interesting, however, that in his first days as a presidental candidate that he would make conflicting statements on what is one of the Democrat's leading hot button issues for the campaign.

You can find "waffles" in every candidate.
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You can find "waffles" in every candidate.
So true. I guess I find it more important to go with a person's final decision on something. But then again you can never tell when something is final, they may waffle again I suppose.

Politicians suck.

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Politicians are human. Period. Tell me if any of you have ever changed your mind on a topic?

I also know that the media is very predatory in general with public figures, so I find it hard to believe that they will ever truly like a political candidate and not accuse them of "waffling" at one point or another. But, again, tell me any person who has never changed their mind on a subject.

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Yeah, I know that it's not the politicians who (always) suck. Everyone changes their mind on things. But I change my mind of what I'm having for dinner or what movie I'm going to see. The biggest might be what job to take or car to buy, but these aren't significant. When you change your mind and you are (or are going to be) the leader of the free world. Things take on an outstanding measure of importance.

When the media digs, they will find that every candidate has flip-flopped on issues. Again, that's why actions have to speak louder than words.

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It would be absolutely wise to change your mind if you have new informations which proof that your first idea was wrong
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It would be absolutely wise to change your mind if you have new informations which proof that your first idea was wrong
true klaus, although IMO Bush changed from a good policy to a bad one. He took into account new factors, but came up with the wrong result of what to do about it.

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[BI would of expected Clark to be a staight shooter, but it appears he is ready to do what is politically correct to win the Democratic nomination. [/B]
And that is what drew me to Johnn McCain, and it is what no candidate to date is willing to do in my opinion. Straight Talk!

I miss McCain and I know many who were hoping this would be the way CClarrk is.

Time will tell..

My computerr is typing doubles.

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