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Old 05-21-2004, 01:46 PM   #46
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I couldnt answer that question re: how many wives he had AcrobatMan. I have read the 3 books verte sometimes refers to which has quotes from the Koran (never read the Koran itself) and there is no way I can see how they equate his teachings with the utter lack of respect so many show their wives. It is blatant contradiction.

I still dont see why the example of extremists is even being raised. U2kitten was not heading in that direction, and I cant see how anyone who condemns the mistreatment of women in this thread, has done anything similar.

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I've never read the Koran itself either. Admittedly the people who make the claim that Mohammed believed in equal rights for women are Muslims who have certain beliefs about him. I am a Catholic Christian and do not share these views. This is what one of them says about Mohammed and his wives.

http://www.themodernreligion.com/prophet/prophet.html
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howmany wives did he have ? does he advocate ladies to that many husbands ?

Context AcrobatMan.

1400 years ago in the desert life was difficult and war was all about which meant more dead men than woman.

Paul told slaves to obey their masters but I am not about to push for a return to slavery. Chances are that Paul figured the end of the world was imminent.

Times change.
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Times change.
true time changes... but somethings just refuse to
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true time changes... but somethings just refuse to
WTF?? You were judging a man who lived 1400 years ago with modern western cultural norms.

What does this mean?
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howmany wives did he have ? does he advocate ladies to that many husbands ?
I'm a little bit fuzzy on the Koran - it's been some years since I took a class on some of this, but I believe that historically, Muhammad said that men should take on extra wives, because it was a time of conquering, and many women were left as widows. He preached taking on these women as wives, and treating them and their children equally under the law.
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I'm a little bit fuzzy on the Koran - it's been some years since I took a class on some of this, but I believe that historically, Muhammad said that men should take on extra wives, because it was a time of conquering, and many women were left as widows. He preached taking on these women as wives, and treating them and their children equally under the law.
Yes, and remember, it was *impossible* for a widow to support herself in those days. They had to be either taken in or starve. So men marrying widows was actually the decent thing to do.
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WTF?? You were judging a man who lived 1400 years ago with modern western cultural norms.

What does this mean?


you just misunderstood..

ask urself, did you infer correctly ? no need to get angry..

come on

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Yes, and remember, it was *impossible* for a widow to support herself in those days. They had to be either taken in or starve. So men marrying widows was actually the decent thing to do.
In the Judeo-Christian tradition, society was to take care of widows (not conditioned on being taken in by a man), giving younger widows the freedom to re-marry.
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In the Judeo-Christian tradition, society was to take care of widows (not conditioned on being taken in by a man), giving younger widows the freedom to re-marry.
That's right. In fact, that was originally the role of the deacons in the Church. St. Stephen, as we call him in the Catholic Church, was a deacon. Younger widows did re-marry.
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you just misunderstood..

ask urself, did you infer correctly ? no need to get angry..

come on

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Could you please explain what exactly you did mean by that comment? I was curious about what you were saying but since iacrobat already asked I didn't bother posting again.
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Could you please explain what exactly you did mean by that comment? I was curious about what you were saying but since iacrobat already asked I didn't bother posting again.
clearly my statement was misunderstood. i wasnt judging anyone.

i dont need to ..
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For the second time in about five minutes...that didn't really answer my question.
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clearly my statement was misunderstood. i wasnt judging anyone.

i dont need to ..

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