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Old 06-19-2005, 02:23 PM   #1
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Geldof on Bush

[Q]GELDOF America doesn't have a lack of empathy; they just don't know the issues as well. Actually, today I had to defend the Bush Administration in France again. They refuse to accept, because of their political ideology, that he has actually done more than any American President for Africa. But it's empirically so. [/Q]

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...4085-2,00.html
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Old 06-19-2005, 02:33 PM   #2
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good article dread.


we do need to do more..

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Great interview. Yes, we need to do more.
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good article dread.


we do need to do more..

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I agree....but I find it so incredibly sad at the number of threads that would lead one to believe that Bush has not been active on the African issue.
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I agree....but I find it so incredibly sad at the number of threads that would lead one to believe that Bush has not been active on the African issue.
My only beef with Bush on the Africa issue is that he hasn't exactly gotten his party behind it. And given the political environment currently where it seems if you don't follow the president's lead, then you really aren't a Republican, I have to wonder how serious he is about the issue. Is he really serious about the issue or is he using it to keep up his "compassionate" label?
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I think he seems to be serious, but he hasn't forced Congress to follow thru and up until recently they kowtowed to him on every other issue. If he wasn't going to lose maybe Bono should engage the Hammer in a Christian to Christian discussion.
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He does have a point. My favorite outlandish Libertarian.

Reviving the Foreign-aid Racket

By Patrick J. Buchanan

05/15/05 - - "Debt Cut Is Set for Poorest Nations" was the headline in Sunday's Washington Post over the lead story. "The world's wealthiest nations," wrote Paul Blustein, "agreed yesterday to cancel more than $40 billion in debts that some of the world's poorest nations owe to international lenders – a move inspired by the belief that full debt forgiveness is necessary to give those countries a chance to escape the trap of hunger, disease and economic stagnation." Sounds wonderful.

Alan Cowell's story in the New York Times explained: "The deal [is] expected to ease the 18 poorest countries' annual debt burdens by $1.5 billion. They are Benin, Bolivia, Burkina Faso, Ethiopia, Ghana, Guyana, Honduras, Madagascar, Mali, Mauritania, Mozambique, Nicaragua, Niger, Rwanda, Senegal, Tanzania, Uganda and Zambia. All must take anticorruption measures."

It is hard not to break out laughing at that last line.

This $40 billion debt write-off is being hailed as the most magnanimous act since the Marshall Plan. But there is another way to see it: George Bush signed onto one of the biggest bailouts in history. For, here, children, is what has just gone down:

First, that $40 billion was squandered or stolen by the most corrupt regimes and biggest thieves in the Third World. The money is gone. We shall never see it again. And all the wastrels and crooks who got away with it will not be pursued.

Second, the idiot-bankers at the IMF, World Bank and African Development Bank who failed to do due diligence when they made the $40 billion in loans, and lied about how good the loans were, will not be exposed and prosecuted, or tarred and feathered as they should.

Third, the IMF, World Bank and African Development Bank will see all their lost funds replenished, so they can start flying around to those same exotic countries and capitals, shelling out new loans to the same crowd of crooks and incompetents, or their successors.

Fourth, American taxpayers will have to pony up the cash for this historic bailout of the international banks.
Why is this happening? Because George Bush owes Tony Blair, and because Blair, bless his socialist soul, believes in the salvific power of foreign aid and has to bring home some bacon to show his skeptical countrymen the "special relationship" between the two is not that of master and poodle.

Make no mistake. This not a bailout of Africa's poor or Latin American peasants. This is a bailout of the IMF, the World Bank and the African Development Bank. They will get the money to replace their lost loans. As in a Monopoly game where the rules are thrown out, they will be handed new money to play with. Bush and Blair are bailing out failed global institutions run by the highest-paid bureaucrats on earth.

What should have been done?

The IMF, World Bank and ADB should have been held to the same standards as any U.S. government bank that squandered capital entrusted to its care. Congressional auditors should have gone over their books, looked at the bad loans, looked at the backup provided and statements made at the time by lending officers, then let the American people know whether they had been faithful custodians of our tax dollars or clowns who ought not to be trusted with kids' lunch money. If the banks failed, they should be forced to undergo the same discipline and downsizing as any public bank that made similar unsecured loans and lost $40 billion.

At the least, we should shut down the World Bank-IMF country club in Montgomery County, Md. – and make them all travel coach.

But none of this is going to happen. All three of these institutions will soon be back at the same game, and their critics will be denounced as hard-hearted conservatives who lack compassion for the world's poor.

When an American worker has to take a hit for every foolish or failed investment in the family portfolio or 401K, why do international bankers and bureaucrats work with a safety net and always get a bailout? Why do they never have to answer or apologize for the follies they commit? By all means, give the African people debt relief. But why let the lenders who lied and lost the money off the hook?

In the last analysis, it is Congress that has failed in its stewardship of the money entrusted to it by the most generous people on earth. A self-confident government would not give the IMF, World Bank or African Development Bank another dime. Let them call us names.

Unfortunately, we have a Congress that cannot say no to any demand for foreign aid in the name of the "world's poorest" and a U.S. government that cannot stand up to a moral shakedown.

© 2005 Creators Syndicate, Inc.
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Pat Buchanan is most certainly not a libertarian. He is a paleo-conservative; isolationist and racist.
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Here's the rest of what was said in that same article about Mr. Bush:



WHICH OF THE G-8 LEADERS DO YOU THINK REMAINS THE TOUGHEST NUT TO CRACK?

BONO The most important and toughest nut is still President Bush. He feels he's already doubled and tripled aid to Africa, which he has. But he started from far too low a place. He can stand there and say he paid at the office already. He shouldn't, because he'll be left out of the history books. But it's hard for him because of the expense of the war and the debts. But I have a hunch that he will step forward with something. And it'll take somebody like him ...

YOU'RE TRYING TO LOBBY HIM RIGHT NOW, AREN'T YOU?

GELDOF We'll see if it works.



Doesn't seem like a glowing endorsement of Mr. Bush. Let's try to keep partisan politics out of the movement for Africa's future.
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Bono does seem to be getting more publicly critical of Bush. He dedicated quite a bit of that 2FM interview to it, particularly Iraq, something he's seemed to try very hard to dodge before. I don't think he'd 'accidently' fuck it up, maybe there's more going on there. He threatened Bush from the outset that he'd make noise against him if he didn't get his way with him.
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you are VERY correct, Earnie Shavers.

As someone who has volunteered for DATA from their beginning and now for ONE, I can tell the buzz around the organizations are definitely NOT as favorable toward Bush as it was in the beginning for exactly the reasons you're alluding to - although he's done more than any other President to help Africa, the Bush administration has broke NEARLY EVERY funding level for these programs!

In other words, Pres. Bush gets maximum good publicity from his Africa policy while quietly cutting the heart out of his Africa programs in the back rooms of the White House!

Why do you think the focus is on the G8 meeting? If Bush and several other European leaders had kept their promise on Africa, Bono and geldof wouldn't be mobilizing us to the streets of Edinburgh.
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Bono was quoted in some recent article as being "a little disappoinoted with the Bush Administration". While he's not going to get into mindless Bush-bashing I do thiink he's capable of candor on this. I'm tired of liberals who bash Bono for talking to Bush, and I think their criticism is misdirected.
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Jamila, my beef with the arguements you're presenting is this: Bush and DATA represent two entirely different things. Bono/DATA/ONE represent the people suffering in the third world and Pres. Bush represents the general will of the American people. Sad as it is, most American people are more concerned with the war (either for or against), health care, education, homeland security, etc, than they are for African aid. You can repeatedly bash Bush b/c he didn't do what Bono wants, but last time I checked Bono is not an American citizen. Honestly, I'm surprised at the amount Bono HAS been able to influence Bush over the past few years.
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Bush and DATA represent two entirely different things. Bono/DATA/ONE represent the people suffering in the third world and Pres. Bush represents the general will of the American people.
A very good point.
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Jamila, my beef with the arguements you're presenting is this: Bush and DATA represent two entirely different things. Bono/DATA/ONE represent the people suffering in the third world and Pres. Bush represents the general will of the American people. Sad as it is, most American people are more concerned with the war (either for or against), health care, education, homeland security, etc, than they are for African aid. You can repeatedly bash Bush b/c he didn't do what Bono wants, but last time I checked Bono is not an American citizen. Honestly, I'm surprised at the amount Bono HAS been able to influence Bush over the past few years.
That was a really good post

I'm not quite sure if I like what Bono said about Bush "being left out of the history books"
Is that the point of all of this? To be recognized as the saviour of africa?
I think the point is saving lives.
Not saving face
Trust me, Im more likely to jump on the bono bandwagon than probably a lot of you but I dont think he has a much a right as a US citizen to tell Bush what he should do with our tax money.
We're giving, and I think Bush is the kind of person that wants to see results before he starts pumping more into something

Wow, this is like the first time ive ever come off as a bushie I think
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