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Old 04-19-2005, 03:04 PM   #1
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Gays vs. God, or, battles fought on the chests of America's high schoolers

Gay And God T-Shirts Clash At Area High School
Gay Tolerance Group, Christian Group Wear Opposing T-Shirts

POSTED: 1:02 pm CDT April 19, 2005
UPDATED: 2:16 pm CDT April 19, 2005

CHICAGO -- Several students at a suburban high school wore contrasting T-shirts Tuesday in support of and against gay tolerance, but some students and school officials had differing views on whether it created a problem.

A group of students organized a campaign that sold more than 200 T-shirts at Homewood-Flossmoor High School that say, "Gay? Fine By Me." The shirts were designed to promote tolerance and acceptance and safety at the school and the idea was for the students to wear the shirts on Tuesday.

But a group of Christian students also made their own T-shirts with the help of several churches in the community. The T-shirt reads on the front, "Crimes Committed Against God," and on the back referenced the Ten Commandments.

NBC 5's Kim Vatis reported that both groups of students wore their T-shirts to class Tuesday, including some students who wore homemade shirts that read "It's Not OK To Be Gay."

School spokesman David Thieman said the T-shirts did not create any problems.

"The day is off to a normal school. We're not expecting to have any major issues or disruptions. H.F. High School is a three-time blue ribbon award-winning school and we've been recognized nationally because we are diverse," Thieman said.

There were no visible signs of conflict outside the school, Vatis reported, and security officers were posted on the campus. Students who tried to speak with the media were guided away, Vatis reported.

Vatis spoke with two staff members of the student newspaper, Voyager, who gave a much different account of the scene inside the school.

"There was pretty much chaos in my first class -- students wearing the God T-shirts and students wearing the 'Gay Fine By Me' T-shirts," student Joe Maloney said. "Students (were) arguing with each other about the justification for wearing the T-shirts."

"People who had gotten along in the past, and seeing each other in these different shirts saying, 'What's wrong with me? Do you have a problem with me?" student Sara McKee said.

But school officials maintained that any disruptions would not be tolerated.

"Should there be a disruption we will immediately take the appropriate action to remedy it, but so far, normal school day, business as usual," Thieman said.

Members of the Christian group said their campaign wasn't in opposition to the other campaign, but was instead a promotion of their own beliefs.
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that's like something that would happen at my school.
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one thing for sure


the kids with the 10 commandments T-shirts

will commit actions that fall under "Crimes Committed Against God"
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why is that for sure?
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I didn't know "thou shalt not be gay" was one of the 10 commandments .
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do you know anyone who has lived the "letter of the law" on the 10 commandments


read them again

if people got arrested for breaking them

what a joke
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"Crimes Committed Against God," and on the back referenced the Ten Commandments.
That's truly the stupidest thing I've ever seen.

Most kids will have broken at least 8 of those commandments by the time they graduate and not one of them has anything to do with being homosexual.
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why is that for sure?
How many have you not broken???
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ah.

i had assumed deep was inferring that these kids would grow up to be violent gay-bashers or something.
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At my high school(which is an all-girls catholic one), we recently had a day of silence. Anyone who wanted to could wear a rainbow ribbon and be silent for the day, as if to show how gays are often silenced. There didn't seem to be any issues.
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ah.

i had assumed deep was inferring that these kids would grow up to be violent gay-bashers or something.

They are capable of much more destruction by going to their churches and praying
and calling gays sodomites and saying they love the sinner and hate the sin


for you see those actions are accepted and tolerated by too many

it would be better if they were bashers
then their actions would be visible and irrefutable
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that's like something that would happen at my school.
and that's exactly what I was about to say.

if there's one group of people at my school who I cannot stand, it's the "christian" christians. the ones that profess to be so full of God, and smile and tell you they'll pray for you, but in reality they're hateful towards anyone who's not like them and all-around love excluding people and pretending they're superior. that's what it is, the superiority complex, and it drives me insane.

I have no problem with christians whatsoever, my very best friend who I love more than anything is really involved in her youth group/church. (although she's a member of Church/USA-something or other that's really liberal and welcomes gay people, alcoholics, everyone) but i've got friends who are more conservative christians, muslim friends, hindu friends, atheist friends. I respect all of their beliefs. but *none* of them have that air of superiority, like they've got a ticket to heaven, and they'll pray for you so your poor soul might make it too. like they've got a phone line directly to God and he rings them up and tells them what's right and what's not.

actually I have one *former-friend* who's like that, in that group, but I politely choose to hang around other people. not that it matters, she decided to completely ignore me after I was her friend for 7 years, because I'm Jewish (raised anyway). no shit

Anyway, that's my experience w/ these kinds of kids...
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one thing for sure


the kids with the 10 commandments T-shirts

will commit actions that fall under "Crimes Committed Against God"
No. The one thing for sure is that all the kids (and us) will commit actions that fall under "Crimes Committed Against God"


I hope constructive dialogue will result from this instead of a battle of the "catch phrase T-shirts"
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No. The one thing for sure is that all the kids (and us) will commit actions that fall under "Crimes Committed Against God"


I hope constructive dialogue will result from this instead of a battle of the "catch phrase T-shirts"


The 10 commandment kids are separating themselves out by suggesting some people are committing crimes against God.
Do you believe these kids think they commit crimes against God?


I did not bother with the "Gay? Fine By Me."
Their statement was one of inclusiveness or tolerance.
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First of all, these types of issues (either side) should be handled differently in a high school setting. The schools in my area don't even allow T-shirts with writing that may offend others. This would include political, cultural, or religious views. I agree with this because it does keep the peace and I think that is important considering the violence which is so present in todays youth.
It is important to teach tolerence in school with a way that brings understanding, not by wearing t-shirts.
On the other hand, I find it disturbing that an increasing amount of people are so intolerent of others. It seems hate and division toward those who have alternative lifestyles has increased since Bush has been in office. I hope the next President will bring people together instead of forcing them apart with religious agendas and backwards thinking.
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