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Old 04-18-2002, 06:19 PM   #16
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it can work both ways tho. a white male could be counted out for a job because he 'isn't an example of diversity'. it's admittedly rare but it can happen.
As someone else said, it happens but very rarely. I will go ahead and also say that Lemonite has a point in that some white men do get overlooked in order to meet diversity quotas (?) but the way I've seen things, this is not the norm in American society. They still make more on the dollar than most women and minorites, hold a good percentage of the top jobs (CEO, President, etc.), and in many ways have it better than a good number of people in the work force.
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Old 04-18-2002, 06:35 PM   #17
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They still make more on the dollar than most women and minorites, hold a good percentage of the top jobs (CEO, President, etc.), and in many ways have it better than a good number of people in the work force.
This is true, And I won't get into any sort of Statistics on Race/Gender/Money/Jobs or what not.. But just look at the majority of people out there working, The majority is the White Male... Things are evening up.. esp. in the place of women, but just due to the fact that there are more of them (Men).. They are going to .. by law of averages or proportion.. have more of the jobs out there.. Including Top Jobs.. Though I won't deny that in some arenas they have it better.. for whatever reason..

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If she's as pretty as you say she is she'll find another job without a problem. It's much easier for "pretty people" to find jobs, because of the fact that they are easy to look at and make people look forward to going to work. I can't imagine why he would reject her based on a stunning appearence. Usually it's the other way around, isn't it?

Which brings up another question: If she weren't hired because she was "just too ugly", would we be having this conversation?
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Which brings up another question: If she weren't hired because she was "just too ugly", would we be having this conversation?

Yes, we would be having this conversation on a bigger scale.

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But just look at the majority of people out there working, The majority is the White Male...
yeah, which is why you would think they'd pay women more instead of men, to save more money. on average, women earn 72% of what men do who are working in the same profession. but i won't get into any of that before someone accuses me of being some bra burning feminist.
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Old 04-18-2002, 11:19 PM   #21
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on average, women earn 72% of what men do who are working in the same profession.

GRRR...that fact so pisses me off...still. I simply can't understand why women can't be paid the same as men for doing the same job. I just don't get it.

DB9 - sorry about your friend, that really is a pathetic excuse not to hire someone, but a part of me understands to a degree (call me shallow)...but it still isn't right. Some smart company will snag her, and be happy they did.

Years ago, my manager/boss at the job I was leaving for a better one confessed that the reason--the MAIN reason--he hired me at the time was that I had big breasts!! I was MORTIFIED. Only later did he find out that I was actually a hard worker/good employee. This was long before sexual harrassment suits, plus I was only 17 at the time, but that has stuck with me ever since. Sad.
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The dealership I worked at briefly we had a similair situation, a beautiful goddess working as receptionist. She was a bit of a distraction for us, but the almighty $$$$ always kept us on the lot trying to get a deal.

Horrible situation, bad judgement on management's part. Do you confront them about this? I know you have been there a while and run the roost as far as the "sales consultant professionals" are concerned. But is that enough of a cushion to make your stand over this issue?

What's really sad, and must bug you Diamond is the confidence in their sales force, or lack thereof. What message are they sending YOU here?

Sorry for your friend Bro
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Holey Moley! I can't believe your boss even told you this Diamond!!!

Even talking about gender can be a tricky situation. I prefer an "even" work force, that is if I have a male working for me, I'd then prefer to hire a female. HOWEVER, while I can "suggest" this preference to a recruiter in a VERY off-the-record manner, legally, I must interview and strongly consider both genders equally. Issues of race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc. cannot be considered. And truthfully, I have followed these rules very closely. Never in an interview do I ask about a person's age, their family, where they live, their commute to work, their social life, etc. If the candidate brings up the topic, then I can discuss it. But I cannot initiate conversations in these areas.

With that in mind, to not hire a very qualified candidate because she is too pretty - and then to state that to your subordinates - SCREAMS lawsuit! Your boss must be a fool for saying this to you. However, as unjust as this is, if you tell your friend and she files a lawsuit, you will be a "witness" in the suit as your boss made this statement to you. This could seriously jeopardize your work relationship not only with your boss, but fellow staff. Some may resent you for causing problems. Others may support you. Either way, it can be a problem. In other words, if you persue this, be prepared for whatever happens.

However, I would seriously consider taking up this issue with HR or a General Manager (or Division Manager) first. What your boss did is a HUGE "no-no."

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Well, I just had an ephiany, sort of.
Looks like I will always have job security there.
I am not as 'sexy' as I previously viewed myself thereby being a 'distraction' to no-one.
Everybody's safe.


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PS-
She found a job elsewhere
at a better pay rate,everyone.

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I can't believe your boss even told you this
very strange indeed
not the brightest thing to do


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I can't believe your boss even told you this
very strange indeed
not the brightest thing to do


Fellows-
Remember one thing-
Ive been employed at this same dealership for over a decade and have help build it from the ground up.
I suppose they felt I was privy to this info.

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