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Old 08-26-2005, 07:15 AM   #106
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Large homes and diamonds can be just as bad as cars. Lots of blood has been shed over diamonds in Africa. The culture of excess exists in nearly every aspect of America.
Not to go totally off-topic, but I totally agree. I've made it VERY clear to my boyfriend that if he buys me an engagement ring, nothing personal, but I won't wear over-valued blood diamonds mined by and under-paid, under-nourished South African worker trying to support his entire family so I can wear a pretty ring and have people oogle over me.

Excessive homes and bling are just as disgusting as fancy cars, yes, but SUVs are still unnecessary and a gross waste of recources, IMO.
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Old 08-26-2005, 08:23 AM   #107
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I've already checked the routes to and from work (6 miles both ways) but the sidewalks stop at a very significant distance from work which would have me riding my bike on the main roadway for half the distance. Too dangerous.. The city transportation wouldn't get me to work on time and I would have to wait an hour in the evening. So I checked into carpooling and the one person who lives near me is already on probation for not showing up for work and or being late. I've found no one else yet, who lives near me with the same hours I work. (or doesn't have a gas guzzling big ass vehicle )
but I'm still looking...
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So I checked into carpooling and the one person who lives near me is already on probation for not showing up for work and or being late.
Probably not a good person to ride with then, eh?
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An SUV allows me to carry my bike, skis, and whatever other large items I need to move.
as do roof racks and trailers
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as do roof racks and trailers
which serve to lower gas mileage, making them no better than SUVs.
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but you can remove them whilst you don't have bikes etc to transport
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While I think public transportation would be great, I think the size of many cities is a bit daunting. Laws could be enacted to limit sprawl, but in a lot of places, there is already a ton of sprawl. Fort Worth is not exactly made at nice walking distances. There would have to be stops every 500 feet or so (especially in the summer...who wants to walk around outside in August?).
I think the USA is a classic case of a problem being ignored till it spiralled out of control. I mean look at LA and look at all the ton of problems letting it sprawl so far has caused it. (Sorry to keep using LA but I studied it last year so it's about the only US city I know anything about).

I'd like to say you could do this or that but I think you've dug yourselves into a hole and are going to find it very hard to get out of it. Perhaps researching alternative fuel resources rather than spending billions on space exploration would be the better option? Perhaps in time US cities will follow the British pattern and gentrification will occur which should help at least reduce the sprawl. Would building a subway be feasible with cities that have grown so large and developed? I dunno. All I'll say is good luck! : patronisingpeopleagainsorry :

Also, everyone talking about winters where the temperature dips to below 20 degrees C. Are you sure you don't all mean minus 20 degrees C/40 degrees C because a temperature below 20C is still pretty warm in my book. I'd have thought/I always did think countries as far north as Canada and Sweden and away from warm sea air currents would get really, really cold in winter.
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I think the USA is a classic case of a problem being ignored till it spiralled out of control. I mean look at LA and look at all the ton of problems letting it sprawl so far has caused it. (Sorry to keep using LA but I studied it last year so it's about the only US city I know anything about).

I'd like to say you could do this or that but I think you've dug yourselves into a hole and are going to find it very hard to get out of it. Perhaps researching alternative fuel resources rather than spending billions on space exploration would be the better option? Perhaps in time US cities will follow the British pattern and gentrification will occur which should help at least reduce the sprawl. Would building a subway be feasible with cities that have grown so large and developed? I dunno. All I'll say is good luck! : patronisingpeopleagainsorry :

Also, everyone talking about winters where the temperature dips to below 20 degrees C. Are you sure you don't all mean minus 20 degrees C/40 degrees C because a temperature below 20C is still pretty warm in my book. I'd have thought/I always did think countries as far north as Canada and Sweden and away from warm sea air currents would get really, really cold in winter.
Yes, Canada's climate is generally very cold in the winter, and temperatures between minus 20-40 degress Centigrade are the norm in most areas, especially in central Canada. However, the west coast has a much milder climate due to the warm sea current. I live in Vancouver, and we usually only see 1 or maybe 2 significant snowfalls per winter, and the temperature usually hover around 10 degrees celcius. It's the only place in Canada where you can play golf in January. It rains alot in the winter, but I'd take that over minus 30 degrees and 5 months of snow any day.
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FORT PAYNE, Alabama (AP) -- A gas station owner was run over and killed when he tried to stop a driver from leaving without paying for $52 worth of gasoline, police said.

The driver had not been apprehended Sunday, and police Chief David Walker said the case was being investigated as a robbery-homicide.

Witnesses told police that Husain Caddi, owner of Fort Payne Texaco, "grabbed onto the vehicle" Friday when the driver began to drive off.

Caddi was dragged across the parking lot and onto a highway, where he fell to the pavement and was run over by the late model sport utility vehicle's rear wheel, Walker said.

"Other vehicles were leaving the station's lot and there was a great deal of traffic on the roadway near the station at the time," Walker said.

Caddi, 54, later died at a hospital, Walker said.

Police said the driver was in his 20s or 30s.

Gas prices have surged to a nationwide average of $2.55 a gallon.
Fortunately they caught the goob that did this. Hopefully they will up the manslaughter charge. Death in the commission of a crime should bring a homicide charge. Caddi moved to Fort Payne because of the beautiful scenery and friendly people. We've always enjoyed visiting relatives up there at Christmas and going to Little River Canyon in the fall. Even the small towns aren't safe from idiots.

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FORT PAYNE - The man police say ran over and killed a Fort Payne gas station owner as he tried to stop the driver from taking off without paying for $52 in gas last week turned himself in to police Thursday morning.

Police Chief David Walker said Alvin Dwight Benefield, 25, of Ider was charged with manslaughter in the death of Husain Caddi, 54, owner and operator of the Fort Payne Texaco at 2645 Greenhill Blvd. near Interstate 59.

On Aug. 19, Walker said, witnesses saw the victim grab the side of the vehicle and get dragged across the parking lot. He said Caddi fell from the vehicle and was run over just after it left the parking lot and headed north on U.S. 11. Caddi was taken to Baptist Medical Center-DeKalb where he died from his injuries.

Walker said police had checked hundreds of vehicle registration numbers on a gold, brown or tan sports utility vehicle that witnesses said might be a Jeep Liberty or Ford Explorer. They were preparing to check hundreds more when Benefield turned himself in, Walker said.

The vehicle Benefield was driving when he allegedly ran over Caddi was a 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee, he said.

Walker said investigators got a statement from Benefield before placing him in the Fort Payne City Jail. He was expected to be transferred to the DeKalb County Jail, also in Fort Payne. His bond had not yet been set Thursday afternoon.

Police also charged Benefield with third-degree theft for taking the gasoline.

The victim's son, Amri Caddi, 25, of Fort Payne said he and other relatives are relieved. Speaking by cell phone, Caddi said he was on his way Thursday afternoon to Atlanta to catch a flight to Indonesia to bury his father in his native country.

Caddi said he forgives the man who killed his father and that being bitter about it will not bring his father back.

A freshman at Gadsden State studying marketing and business management, Caddi said he was at school when he learned about his father's death.

He said he will return in two to three weeks to help run his father's station.

"I have to keep it going, " he said. "My father's spirit is in that store."
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Also, everyone talking about winters where the temperature dips to below 20 degrees C. Are you sure you don't all mean minus 20 degrees C/40 degrees C because a temperature below 20C is still pretty warm in my book. I'd have thought/I always did think countries as far north as Canada and Sweden and away from warm sea air currents would get really, really cold in winter.
In the north of Sweden it's normal to have winters with temperatures between -20 and -30 degrees C. Occasionally it dips down below -30C in january.
In the southern half of Sweden the climate actually is much warmer than that. The south of Sweden feel lucky if they get any snow at all. I live somewhat north of the middle of the country, and here it never gets colder than -25C.

Sweden is very far to the north if you compare it to northern US and southern Canada, and the only reason it's liveable here is because of the warm Gulf Current. Otherwise the climate here would be the same as Siberia, as it's as far to the north.
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and the only reason it's liveable here is because of the warm Gulf Current.
This all ties in v.nicely with this whole topic actually. A lot of people think that Global Warming will mean hotter temperatures but for some countries the reverse could be true.

The UK (which is quite a mild climate) is actually on the same latitude as Moscow and Hudson Bay (??) in Canada. So basically it should be v.v.cold but it's the warm air from the gulf stream that keeps it warm. However, as Global Warming (Caused by C02 emissions......) melts the ice caps the resultant water could push the Gulf Stream further away so the heat might not reach us any more. Thus far, far colder winters.

^If any of the above info is wrong, blame my geography teacher or me for not listening properly, whichever.

But I had no idea that the Gulf Stream could affect countries such as Sweden (we didn't study it in any detail, it was just we were doing about the past British climate changes millions of years ago and it was mentioned for how Global Warming could affect us in the future......I think). I didn't realise it went over that far. Learn something new every day.
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Geez...what a tragedy...I hate to say this, people, but what was going through that guy's mind when he pulled away? I imagine he could tell the guy was possibly a Moslem.. if he was shouting in an Indonesian accent. I hope a smug "FU" wasn't going through his mind...

Sorry but I can';t underestimate racism in times like these..if course he meant to steal the gas but sticking it to a Moselm must have been SO nice.

Not that I have noidea what was going on in that guy's head. But I can't guaruntee that there wouldn't be idiots who WOULD do this thinking like that.
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This all ties in v.nicely with this whole topic actually. A lot of people think that Global Warming will mean hotter temperatures but for some countries the reverse could be true.

The UK (which is quite a mild climate) is actually on the same latitude as Moscow and Hudson Bay (??) in Canada. So basically it should be v.v.cold but it's the warm air from the gulf stream that keeps it warm. However, as Global Warming (Caused by C02 emissions......) melts the ice caps the resultant water could push the Gulf Stream further away so the heat might not reach us any more. Thus far, far colder winters.

^If any of the above info is wrong, blame my geography teacher or me for not listening properly, whichever.

But I had no idea that the Gulf Stream could affect countries such as Sweden (we didn't study it in any detail, it was just we were doing about the past British climate changes millions of years ago and it was mentioned for how Global Warming could affect us in the future......I think). I didn't realise it went over that far. Learn something new every day.
I think what you are saying makes sense, i've heard something similar. And it's scary to think about.

The Gulf Stream actually affects the scandinavian countries quite a lot, just compare the climate here with that of similar latitudes. My town is on the same latitude (as a rough search in my not so good atlas says) as Archangelsk, Russia, and Fairbanks, Alaska. And as I said, the temperature rarely goes under -25C.
I think Scandinavia is the only place where people can live comfortably north of the polar circle. I had midnight sun in my bedroom as a kid, and that was quite cool.
The Gulf Stream is also the reason why Norweigian seaports can be used all year round as far to the north as Narvik. Colder climates would mean lots of problems for iron industries in Sweden who depends on shipping from Narvik.
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sorry this is kinda off topic, but in california, did you guys read about how hybrid cars can go in the carpool lane solo but they need to place four really really huge bright yellow stickers on their cars? some owners are complaining cuz the stickers ruin their car and they look dumb, but i think it's cool that california recognizes how hybrid cars are environment friendly and could help with the gas guzzling.
it's $2.79 a gallon here!! please don't get to $3.00!! =(
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I thought this article might be relevant here...

Alberta is about to get wildly rich and powerful

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"The oil sands give Canada one of the single greatest advantages of any state in the Western world," says Paul Chastko, a University of Calgary historian who recently published a book called Developing Alberta's Oil Sands. "It gives Canada the ability to supply all of North America for the next 50 years without touching a drop of imported oil." It is, in short, an economic engine and political lever that any nation would desperately love to have.
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