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Old 03-31-2005, 02:20 PM   #16
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I paid $2.25 a gallon last night.

Will someone remind me again how going to war with Iraq was all about gaining oil supply for the USA.

No blood for oil?

should be...

No arm and a leg for oil.
This is ridiculous. More people need to be upset instead of taking it in stride. If we take it they will never stop. I agree, with our army in the middle east prices should be going down~!
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If you don't like the gas prices, walk/bike/run/carpool/take the bus/etc. Sure, it sounds inconvenient, but once you're used to doing it, it really doesn't matter.
Not everyone lives or works in a place where that is realistic. We don't all live along bus lines, or where we can bike or walk where we need to go. I live on a country road, 5 miles from the nearest bus line, and the bus does not go anywhere near my destination. I know no one who goes my way. I commute an hour and a half each way every day. Not everyone can just walk down to the corner market. If it's that bad for me, imagine the people out west where it might be 50 miles to town, it's much worse.

Something has to be done about prices for people like me, as well as the truckers, which run all prices up down the line as their goods must increase to pay for the gas.
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"Yeah...why are gas prices so fucking high" - Says the person at the gas station filling up his/her monstrous SUV which gets 10 mpg.
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Old 03-31-2005, 03:10 PM   #19
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Oil should be removed from the global commodities market to prevent speculators from driving prices up. As is, they can buy and sell into the market with no intention of actually "buying" oil. Instead, oil should be bought and people should be forced to literally pick it up with their tankers and ship it to be used. No refunds.

But since I don't expect that to happen, the first most practical thing that can be done is for Bush to release some of the Strategic Oil Reserves and temporarily stop buying oil to fill them. It's most a psychological method of driving prices down, as speculators start selling on news like that. It works, too. Not surprisingly, the last time Bush released something from the reserves was one week before Election Day in 2004. What an asshole.

As for a long term solution, I commented on this here.

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Not everyone lives or works in a place where that is realistic. We don't all live along bus lines, or where we can bike or walk where we need to go. I live on a country road, 5 miles from the nearest bus line, and the bus does not go anywhere near my destination. I know no one who goes my way. I commute an hour and a half each way every day. Not everyone can just walk down to the corner market. If it's that bad for me, imagine the people out west where it might be 50 miles to town, it's much worse.

Something has to be done about prices for people like me, as well as the truckers, which run all prices up down the line as their goods must increase to pay for the gas.

i'm sympathetic in some ways, but i also want to say: so what? deal with it. no tax is perfect, and big agricultural states are overrepresented in the Senate — so Congress already pampers the rural. most of those mostrous states with huge distances have a vastly lower cost of living than do people who live in metropolitian areas, as well as the fact that East Coast urbanites don't get hand-outs in the form of farm subsidies. we all make sacrafices to help out, and this seems to be to be such a no-brainer. low taxes on gas in this country are such a bad idea in so many different ways, and raising the tax on gas would be an almost gobsmackingly easy way to ease the budget deficit, increase our fuel efficiency, wean us a little off Middle East petroleum and generally help the U.S. economically and in foreign policy.
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But since I don't expect that to happen, the first most practical thing that can be done is for Bush to release some of the Strategic Oil Reserves and temporarily stop buying oil to fill them. It's most a psychological method of driving prices down, as speculators start selling on news like that. It works, too.

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In my lifetime, I've seen this happen several times and it always works. I am infuriated that no one does this now. Even the most ardent Bush supporters I know blame him for this
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Few people get rich off of farm subsidies, unless you're a large corporate farm. The subsidies are there, because grain prices are at 1960s prices, in real terms. In other words, I'm not even adjusting for inflation. Remove the subsidies and watch American farming go out of business completely. That's not good for national security by any step of the imagination, IMO.

Let's face it, folks. We're not going to see any serious approach to alternative fuel while we have the oil idiot in office. Dubya was the one quoted in 1998 saying that we needed to drive oil prices higher. Looks like he got his wish, so why would he actively do anything to make them lower?

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In my lifetime, I've seen this happen several times and it always works. I am infuriated that no one does this now. Even the most ardent Bush supporters I know blame him for this
I hope you all register your disgust in the 2006 midterm elections and vote Democratic. It's the only way the GOP will ever get it.

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Let's face it, folks. We're not going to see any serious approach to alternative fuel while we have the oil idiot in office.
When have we ever been "serious" about alternative fuels?

It has little to do with our chief executive.
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When have we ever been "serious" about alternative fuels?

It has little to do with our chief executive.

you're right, it has everything to do with the immense political power oil companies wield over congress.

still, could there be anyone *worse* than Bush/Cheney? do you really think a democrat would do something as unabashedly stupid and callous as drill in ANWAR?
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When have we ever been "serious" about alternative fuels?

It has little to do with our chief executive.
It's not completely his fault, but if Bush put as much energy into forcing the issue as he had done with wealthy tax cuts and now Social Security "reform," it would, at least, get to debate.

But we all know that's not where his priorities lie. He has more important things to do, like encouraging anti-gay amendments, sign emergency feeding tube bills, appoint extremist judges, and make speeches in several states' Chamber of Commerce for video clip sources.

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i'm sympathetic in some ways, but i also want to say: so what? deal with it.
Exactly. My aunt complains constantly about how far her commute is and how much gas costs.....well, the point is SHE chose to move way out to suburbia and SHE chose to drive a Jeep Cherokee.

Once you deal w/ not having a gas-guzzling vehicle constantly at your disposal, you will get over it. I've never owned a car and I've had plenty of opportunity to get one. If I got one now, I don't even know what I'd do with it. Sure, not having a car HAS placed limitations on where I can live and where I can work, but it's not that big of a deal.
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The cost of shipping goods goes up and unfortunately the prices of those goods goes up which sucks. Its not just about having to pay money for gas to get around for my own transportation. Manufacturers get squeezed, retailers get squeezed... it sucks. I'm surprised there is no uproar or major complaining considering. I figure gas prices have to be part of the reason why Bush's poll numbers are sinking.
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Exactly. My aunt complains constantly about how far her commute is and how much gas costs.....well, the point is SHE chose to move way out to suburbia and SHE chose to drive a Jeep Cherokee.

Once you deal w/ not having a gas-guzzling vehicle constantly at your disposal, you will get over it. I've never owned a car and I've had plenty of opportunity to get one. If I got one now, I don't even know what I'd do with it. Sure, not having a car HAS placed limitations on where I can live and where I can work, but it's not that big of a deal.
Not everyone in the US owns a gas guzzling SUV as generalized by some people.

Unfortunately... cars can be a necessity in life. Some people have to work and drive around b/c of a variety of reasons from family, work, their job, etc. Cars aren't just a unnecessary convenience. The attitude of "so what" to a person's sharing of the difficulties (as small as they seem) sort of suck. Wow. I find it funny that people who are getting by deserve a "so what" to their problems but we need to care for the poor and huddled masses of drug users, vagrants, etc... I can see why some people get pissed off and become insensitive to the poor, etc.

I live in Memphis, where the city/ community is basically an urban sprawl. There is no subway nor a decent bus system alah Chicago or New York City. I am sure there are similar places around the United Sates as well. High gas prices as a result suck for someone who lives in this type of area. Some people don't have the luxury/ money to move to more "developed" places especially if you're supporting a family. So when people say, "So what. Deal with it." I'm sure it irks people. It would irritate me quite much. Gas prices still suck.

What bugs me is that the US auto manufacturers decided that SUV market was the way to go yet ignore the possibility profiting from hybrids. Why is that. Hasn't the technology come far enough that the hybrid market could be huge. Lord knows US auto manufacturers need help being profitable.
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I live in Memphis, where the city/ community is basically an urban sprawl. There is no subway nor a decent bus system alah Chicago or New York City. I am sure there are similar places around the United Sates as well. High gas prices as a result suck for someone who lives in this type of area. Some people don't have the luxury/ money to move to more "developed" places especially if you're supporting a family. So when people say, "So what. Deal with it." I'm sure it irks people. It would irritate me quite much. Gas prices still suck.

petition your local goverments for better mass transit options. if the demand were there, if people were forced to find options behind their cars, they'd certainly find a way. most of the reason for urban sprawl is the omnipresence of the automobile. i also see nothing wrong with a little pressure to get people to find alternative means of transportation via a tax, or even to start carpooling or drive more fuel efficient cars.
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