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Old 01-07-2002, 02:24 PM   #31
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even though Clinton has made more mistakes than I probably will in my entire life at least (for some reason) he enjoyed some respect in the rest of the world
To be honest, I don't care who respected him in the rest of the world. The man was the President of The United States. his job was to look out for his people, not win some popularity contest.
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Old 01-07-2002, 02:28 PM   #32
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Hm, I'll take the guy who cheated on his wife over a coke head any day
There is a BIG difference between GW's Coke usage and Clinton's wife-cheating.
1)There has never been proof that Dubya did Cocaine. I don't even know where that idea came from. Certainly not fact based, whatsoever.
2)Also, even if he HAD used Cocaine, that was a very long time ago, and he no longer does, nor does he drink alcohol. You can't say the same for Clinton. Clinton has a long term history of womanizing, and he doesn't learn from it. he just keeps doing it and doing it. It has become who is, really.
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even though Clinton has made more mistakes than I probably will in my entire life at least (for some reason) he enjoyed some respect in the rest of the world
To be honest, I don't care who respected him in the rest of the world. The man was the President of The United States. his job was to look out for his people, not win some popularity contest.

Clinton?.. Respect?.. Arafat Played him for a complete idiot.. but that's another issue for another thread...

In regards to Bush..


I also think there is a Huuuuuuge difference when you are talking about 'respect' and 'likeability' (spelling?).. I highly doubt that deep down the leaders of other nations disrespect bush.. more as they may just not like him.. And if anything, just look at this terrorism war.. I'm sure Bin Laden had noo idea what was coming after him when he targeted those planes into the trade towers... After clinton, I'm sure he just thought a few bombs would be dropped and that'd be it.. He probably never dreamed of the whole large scale of the war, and the perserverence that Bush is showing in Killing him.. If they didnt' resepect him before, NOW.. after Bush is showing just how true he is to his country, after he is showing that he won't take any shiz, the leaders I'm sure respect his devotion, his loyalty to the US, and His (Including he and his advisors/VP/Sec of State/rumsfeld et al..) Competence in dealing with this huge issue..And I'm sure their feelings may be begrudgingly perhaps, and Bush May not have their 'favor'.. but He's gotten the attention and the respect of the world..
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Clinton?.. Respect?.. Arafat Played him for a complete idiot.. but that's another issue for another thread...
Yes, which is exactly why there was so much bloodshed and violence between the Israeli's and Palestinians during Clinton's tenure and it's also why things have been so peacefull during the last year since Bush was elected. Oh, wait a minute that's not right...

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Well thank God for Dr. Condy Rice who is the brains behind the hand puppet known as the bush. He was not "elected" anything, he was given it by that ugly woman in FLA, his brother, and Scalia. He has created a recession as well. Please don't write those 3 pg diatribes, we don't read them.

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Old 01-07-2002, 05:35 PM   #36
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He has created a recession as well. Please don't write those 3 pg diatribes, we don't read them.


Now that's an intelligent and well-informed response. "Create" a recession in one year? Take economics 101 and then come back when you can talk sense.
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Old 01-07-2002, 06:06 PM   #37
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Yes, which is exactly why there was so much bloodshed and violence between the Israeli's and Palestinians during Clinton's tenure and it's also why things have been so peacefull during the last year since Bush was elected. Oh, wait a minute that's not right...

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Don't you look deeper into anything... There Are CaUses to everything... This current violence is not as much Bush's doing as yo uwould like to believe..It all starts with Clinton.. hence the root of the curent violence Read on.. rEad on.. Clinton tried.. in his vain and selfish attempt at a Nobel peace prize .. to get peace in Israel and palestine, where Israel was practically ready to give everything up to arafat ... This is Where things started going downhill.. I'm surey ou'll quote all the terrorist war as why there's so much violence, but It had started (the current fierce war anyways) way before the attacks on 911, and it was cuz of clinton's inept and incompetent meddling in those affiars that got it stirred up.. Your sarcasm is duly noted with a nice big shit eating grin smiley face as he begs you to try and educate yourself a bit more.. And Matt.. thanks for not putting Hee Hee into one ofyour posts...
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Well thank God for Dr. Condy Rice who is the brains behind the hand puppet known as the bush. He was not "elected" anything, he was given it by that ugly woman in FLA, his brother, and Scalia. He has created a recession as well. Please don't write those 3 pg diatribes, we don't read them.

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GIVE IT Up... Why is this still an issue.. Bush is president.. Check the Liberal media's independent vote count.. Unless you're a foreigner, in which case we'll forgive you, but not before laughing at you.

When there is "non-sensical" drivel such as this coming from your apparently withered fingers typing on your screen, I'd be exxxtatic to read a diatribe, at least they're entertaining, and have some sort of educated opinion that can add to the thread.. Go talk to Melon.. He and I rarely agree, but he's got Opinions that we can discuss, and maybe shove your head up Klodomir's @$$, He'll give you somehints as well...


Kudos for at least giving credence to the intelligence of Ms. Rice.. Props to you.. Yes i did just write props..

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Clinton tried.. in his vain and selfish attempt at a Nobel peace prize .. to get peace in Israel and palestine, where Israel was practically ready to give everything up to arafat ... This is Where things started going downhill..
You don't think Ariel Sharon becoming Prime Minister had anything to do with the escalating violence?
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Don't you look deeper into anything... There Are CaUses to everything... This current violence is not as much Bush's doing as yo uwould like to believe..It all starts with Clinton.. hence the root of the curent violence Read on.. rEad on.. Clinton tried.. in his vain and selfish attempt at a Nobel peace prize .. to get peace in Israel and palestine, where Israel was practically ready to give everything up to arafat ... This is Where things started going downhill.. I'm surey ou'll quote all the terrorist war as why there's so much violence, but It had started (the current fierce war anyways) way before the attacks on 911, and it was cuz of clinton's inept and incompetent meddling in those affiars that got it stirred up.. Your sarcasm is duly noted with a nice big shit eating grin smiley face as he begs you to try and educate yourself a bit more.. And Matt.. thanks for not putting Hee Hee into one ofyour posts...
Wow. What an incredibly unpleasant person you are. I'm tempted to call you a typical Republican jerk but that wouldn't be fair 'cause I did meet a nice one once in 1989. I don't think I like you that much so I'll try to be succint. Yes, I do try to "look deeper into" things. I think you might be surprised to learn that lots of people do--even people who disagree with you. You haven't given any evidence that the violence in the mideast is Clinton's fault. Things are not "so" just because you believe them to be. You're going to have to do a lot better than, "I don't like Clinton, he appeased Arafat and all hell broke out."
The fact is that prior to Clinton being a lame duck president violence between Israel and the Palestinians was at an all time low. Bush made a point out of being the first U.S. president in years to not send a full envoy to region. Whoops.

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Wow. What an incredibly unpleasant person you are. I'm tempted to call you a typical Republican jerk but that wouldn't be fair 'cause I did meet a nice one once in 1989. I don't think I like you that much so I'll try to be succint. Yes, I do try to "look deeper into" things. I think you might be surprised to learn that lots of people do--even people who disagree with you. You haven't given any evidence that the violence in the mideast is Clinton's fault. Things are not "so" just because you believe them to be. You're going to have to do a lot better than, "I don't like Clinton, he appeased Arafat and all hell broke out."
The fact is that prior to Clinton being a lame duck president violence between Israel and the Palestinians was at an all time low. Bush made a point out of being the first U.S. president in years to not send a full envoy to region. Whoops.

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We can't please everyone.. It's all about our individual styles.. anyways, It was a retaliation to the statement by you that you said, it Was Bush's fault (viloence in middle east).. or implied it at least, Just calling you out for making a statement where I had just as much Right to make as you did without any specific evidence.. just a bit of creative sarcasm.. faulty as either of ours may have been in the whole scheme of things...
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You don't think Ariel Sharon becoming Prime Minister had anything to do with the escalating violence?

Ah yes.. A big nail hit right on the head.. Sharon's practically a huuuge asshole, I agree with you that he has a part to play in the escalating violence.. I's a big fan of 'netnyahoo'.. (phonicaly spelled), but whether or not Sharon is in the right in his actions and policies.. that's for another page.. but I do agree.. and i realize i've been ri cock u lously redundant in this post, but. ok.. i'll just end. Fizzing.. Agreed...

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Moreover, why is it Ronald Reagans spirituality and religious principles are forever being referenced by the Christian right but Jimmy Carter's deeply felt spiritual beliefs are a source of contempt?
*laughs*

Need I remind people that Reagan wasn't the most exemplary Christian. Both he and Nancy believed in the power of psychics. Nancy had a personal psychic (an older woman...I forget her name) and Ronnie, for instance, tried to use psychic, Uri Gellar, to use his mind power to subvert the Soviet Union. All the more interesting, considering the religious right's love of Ronnie and their campaign against Harry Potter.

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Jimmy Carter..."good man, but bad president"
Amusing, yet again. Republicans like to state that Clinton's economic success was due to Reagan and Bush, and that their programs didn't kick in until during his term. So, in effect, by that same logic, wouldn't Carter's problems have been caused by Nixon and Ford's policies?

In fact, they were. The fuel crisis was due to Nixon's encouragement of OPEC to raise fuel prices.

The inflation problems? Reagan never solved them either. He simply just changed the legal definition of "inflation," which became mostly on labor wages. If we went under the Carter-era definition of inflation, which reflected on consumer goods prices mostly, we are still under high inflation.

Low inflation in the 1970s = low consumer prices

Low inflation in 2002 = low labor wages

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The U.S. government is formed on a system of checks and balances between three areas: legislative, judicial, and executive. When one branch suddenly believes itself to be above the law and above the proper use of the law, then that to me becomes tyranny.
So very true. As a special legal invesitgator once said while investigating the Nixon Administration's Whitewater crimes:
NO ONE is above the law; NOT EVEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. That special legal investigator's name was Hillary Rodham.

I hate to inform some of you, but a lot of the Palestinian and other Middle Eastern interest groups were not too fond of Clinton and his administration either, particularly Madeline Albright. About all that came of the meeting his administration arranged between Arafat and then-Israeli Prime Minister Barak was a game of basketball. If anyone deserves credit for the peace process that was underway and will hopefully resume(under the Clinton AND current Bush administrations) is former Senator George Mitchell, author and overseer of the Mitchell Plan. Also, remember that the current administration has publically endorsed an independent Palestinian state.

However, we can go all the way back through history and blame leaders for the problems of the world today. But that will not solve the problems. Let the current leaders solve it. Bush WAS elected by the letter of the law. Let him do his job.
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