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Old 01-06-2002, 11:24 PM   #16
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Moreover, why is it Ronald Reagans spirituality and religious principles are forever being referenced by the Christian right but Jimmy Carter's deeply felt spiritual beliefs are a source of contempt?

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Sheesh.

Loquacious up the Hiz-Ass eh?!

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Old 01-07-2002, 03:14 AM   #18
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Regardless, politicians are all morally corrupt.


that is an absolute fact.

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Try finding something more enjoyable to read, some Drunk stories of FizzingWhizzbees walking down the street flaunting a Mangina
What in the world is a Mangina? If I'm going to be flaunting something, I at least need to know what it is. That said, if you want drunken stories, you'll have to buy me a drink first ;-)

(Jokes aside, I don't mean to offend anyone. Bush certainly isn't one of my favourite politicians but I know other people have different opinions and I absolutely respect that.)
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Old 01-07-2002, 03:33 AM   #20
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Melon Melon Melon. Have you not been paying attention to the News .. excuse me.. the news is crap, but to what Bush and his 'fellas' have been saying....


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How amusing.

1) Politicians and presidents of both parties have had illicit affairs. My favorite politician of the last decade would have to be Newt Gingrich, who divorced, I believe, two of his wifes on their death beds. Regardless, politicians are all morally corrupt. If you're looking for a religious leader, I would go elsewhere.

2) "Sells military secrets to the Chinese." Care to substantiate? But lest we forget a certain president, whom shall remain nameless, who was entrenched in the Iran-Contra scandal.

3) I still don't trust G.W. He is repeating the same steps as his father:

a) Starts out as a lukewarm president.
b) Gets involved in a war that rapidly boosts popularity.

It is because a war was necessary.. He's not just jumpin in to get a 'high approval rating', As opposed to our last president, I highly doubt that W is sitting in bed at night getting a hardon over the fact that he has a chance to raise his popularity by just jumping into a war.. this is a necessity.. I'll make this same issue statement over those who disgustingly state that bush is only using the war for 'pushing his agenda'.. but that's another thread... A coincidence.. (spelled right?).. but Be thankful that USA has the right leaders when we need them. Reagan during cold war.. bush in gulf war. w right now...


c) War begins to end, but still loses their main objective.

Have you again, not been paying attention to bush or rumsfeld.. This war is nowhere near from ending... This is just the first phase, and dont' think for a minute that they're just gonna quit looking for omar or bin laden, they've said it will take time.. years perhaps.. Check the news a bit more often.. This war is far from over...


d) Ignores the domestic issues completely.

This is very far off.. Bush Has been trying for the past year to get his economic stimulus packages through.. to take care of this recession that clinton created by messing with what reagan and bush had implemented... He was just Shot down by the Democrats on his 'stimulus' package that would help the economy.. hence.. paying attention to the domestic issues.. Also, He's been trying to increase jobs.. by increasing investments by companies, .. Whereas teh Democrats want to give out more welfare, more unemployment.. which is not going to work, because it won't be long lasting.. Bush has been trying to Get More jobs out there, any non action is not due to Bush's 'Ignoring'.. He's been pushing for economic packages since day one, and hasn't let that up.. even in the face of this war...


e) Refuses to acknowledge a recession.


Christ.. He's been saying there was a recession from even before he was elected.. This isn't his fault, Why do you think the economy is such a big priority.. The economy is already beginning to take a turn for the better, in a year or so it shoudl be back up, but Bush has never denied that there was a recession, He was stating back last november.. over a year ago.. that the economy was turnign down, and that he had a plan to fix it.. but he's being mucked up by daschle et al who are shooting down what he wants to do to fix the the economic problem...

And, what's worse, G.W. even shares much of the same cabinet and advisors as his father. God help us all...


This is truly an ignorant statemnt.. Colin powell could be president if he wanted.. He's one of the smartest men on the planet and in his area of work, he's the best... Rumsfeld is pure genius.. Chaney.. same thing.. These guys know what they are doing.. they've been here before.. Tell me.. Do you see Madeline Albright being in Afghanistan giving the same speeches, demanding the sam ehtings.. She'd be decapitated.. i mean, she was booed in Ohio state.. Bush's advisors are some of the best in the world, and they have character, and have a genuine interest in making this country better..


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What in the world is a Mangina? If I'm going to be flaunting something, I at least need to know what it is. That said, if you want drunken stories, you'll have to buy me a drink first ;-)

(Jokes aside, I don't mean to offend anyone. Bush certainly isn't one of my favourite politicians but I know other people have different opinions and I absolutely respect that.)

Haha.. fizzing, A Mangina is one of the funniest things i've ever heard of.. You've gotta be a guy first though.. i guess i jsut made an assumption there.. anyways, Yah... I completely agree that there are a thousand different opinions to everything, and we come here to talk them out.. argue about them, and make syndicated yambaggish remarks about them... Cheers ya'll.. on to a new thread..
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Originally posted by Anthony:
From a foreign policy standpoint, President Clinton was a whole lot better then Mr.Bush, who I still despise - the man is a selfish fool who is only interested in one thing; money. Atleast Clinton never abandoned the Kyoto Protocol.
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LEMONITE: The Kyoto protocol is a piece of sh#t.. It called for everyone but CHINA???? HELLO.. yes i did just write hello.. China is one of the biggest threats to our nation.. If they're not going to be held to the same standards in emissions as we are, that just gives them an opportunity to industrialize up the #$$ and then create nukes and have us bend over as they fire them one after another...
??? Huh ???

What does care for the environment have to do with nuclear missiles? And is it THAT important to have the same standards as everybody? If so, why do the US have more than one party which isn't even the Communist Party? Or why is there freedom of religion in the US?

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??? Huh ???

What does care for the environment have to do with nuclear missiles? And is it THAT important to have the same standards as everybody? If so, why do the US have more than one party which isn't even the Communist Party? Or why is there freedom of religion in the US?

As said, confused...

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It's not as much 'care for teh environment matching with nuclear missiles.... It's because China is the number one threat to us... well before terrorism.. and they still are.. And giving them a sort of advantage over us in regards to some worthless 'emissions' treaty doesn't makesense... I've got to go to a dental appointment, so I don't hav etime to elaborate.. but check up the cons against the kyoto treaty and why bush waved the middle finger to it.. You'll see what i mean.. check it out...

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Moreover, why is it Ronald Reagans spirituality and religious principles are forever being referenced by the Christian right but Jimmy Carter's deeply felt spiritual beliefs are a source of contempt?
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Actually, Matthew Page, I have always admired Jimmy Carter's religious beliefes, and have always said "good man, but bad president" about him. All my Christian friends have thought the same thing.
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as opposed to having say. Jimmy carter, who would invite all to gather around a bible study group in which he would be immediatly radiated by a nuke...
I appreciate all the time you've backed me, and almost always agree with you, but I've gotta say something here. Jimmy Carter, while he may have been a bad president, was a good man with a real heart for God. That was a plus on his side, and that's not what made him an ineffectual president.

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as opposed to having say. Jimmy carter, who would invite all to gather around a bible study group in which he would be immediatly radiated by a nuke...
I appreciate all the time you've backed me, and almost always agree with you, but I've gotta say something here. Jimmy Carter, while he may have been a bad president, was a good man with a real heart for God. That was a plus on his side, and that's not what made him an ineffectual president.

Oh. I wholeheartedly agree that he was a good man, I never was ripping on him as a person of character, I was taking out his ability to be president.. But for the sake of humor I just used his upstanding character and morality as a device to begin a joke.. I apologize if I gave that stigma out over my thoughts on Jimmy carter..

And yes.. Bless that SMile! Cheers...

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On the Clinton issue...I have no problem if the man wants to screw young women while in the Oval Office and claim it's his personal life, although doing so definitely washes out any shred of dignity or respect he may have once held. What I DO have a serious problem with is the President of the United States lying under oath to the highest court in the nation. The U.S. government is formed on a system of checks and balances between three areas: legislative, judicial, and executive. When one branch suddenly believes itself to be above the law and above the proper use of the law, then that to me becomes tyranny. Tyranny being one of the defining reasons that this country decided to break from England 200+ years ago.

Oh and if you want mock-worthy quotes, Clinton has his own share. That depends on what the meaning of the word IS is comes to mind.

Finally, as to the original post...if you make your decisions on politics based on what you see on SNL, that is truly sad.

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even though Clinton has made more mistakes than I probably will in my entire life at least (for some reason) he enjoyed some respect in the rest of the world

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Hm, I'll take the guy who cheated on his wife over a coke head any day. Anyway, I didn't vote for Bush but I think he is doing a comendable job in office. However, I think he needs to hire better writers. A quote from last week:
"We know that if Osama bin Ladin is not in Afganistan he is in some other country."

Thanks for clearing up the misconception that he is on Mars or the Moon George.
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