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Old 02-01-2008, 01:21 PM   #16
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1. What nonprurient parts of yourself don’t you show in FYM?

Hm, I'm generally a person who hides certain parts, and like yolland I often stay away from making jokes that could come across different than intended (I've got a rather black humor, same as my brother, so we will exchange those jokes).

2. How do you think most of the people on the forum would describe you?

Good question. I'm very bad in assuming what other people think of me, so well, probably they see me as being liberal, maybe my attempts to be witty come through, but I certainly can't say much.

Are they right?

Taking the American political spectrum, yes, for the rest, hopefully.

3. Whom do you think most like in FYM? (not necessarily in conclusion, but in approach)

Hm, I couldn't really say whose thinking patterns would be similar to me. When it comes to being similar in views I would say with the odd exception I generally agree with the liberal posters here.

4. Who is the alpha on the forum? Why?

Definitely melon, yolland and Irvine. mellon and yolland don't post too often, but when they do write something it's always a very in-depth analysis and they are showing these nuances to topics where you are really embarrassed that you did take such a shallow approach, but I think this is important.
They are also great in their eloquence and for me they are a great challenge to understand them. Their level of english is certainly somewhere I think I will hardly ever get to, but it's interesting to read those posts nevertheless.
Irvine is very outspoken and also good in pointing out certain nuances which often get overlooked, at least by myself, and a very good debater, and he draws a lot attention towards him in my view, but in a very posiitive way.

5. Do you have a tendency to defer to the alpha, challenge the
alpha or stay away?

I certainly would just go down in miliseconds if I were to challenge yolland or melon, and mostly I agree with them and take a lot of their posts. As we have very similar viewpoints I have yet to challenge them, I think.
I only recall one discussion with Irvine where we had different viewpoints, and that was a rather long one I think. But a good one, as well.

6. Are you more inclined to post to change minds or explore
differences?

I certainly want to get my view of things across, and sometimes of course I would like to change minds. But most often I rather tend to explore differences and think there is quite a lot of discussions where I learned some things about a topic by getting pointed toward parts of the topic I hadn't seen or grasped, or by information I didn't have before.
I'e gotten my share of quick education here, I think.
I don't like to beat dead horses, so sometimes when I see the discussion will just continue to go in circles I won't "waste" my time there.

7. What do you bring to the forum?

A different kind of English.
Probably the view of continental Europe, as I'm the only one outside the UK or Ireland who posts here regularly I think. But, on the other hand, I can only speak from a certain German perspective, hence I'm missing people from other European countries here.
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1. What nonprurient parts of yourself don’t you show in FYM?

I do find this question baffling. So I’ll just take a stab at what I think it means. And I think the answer is that I am probably more prurient in here than I am in real life, if we are removing the sexual component of the definition for “prurient,” which it seems we are. I am far more aggressive in here than I would be in real life, so in many ways, you all get the worst of me. Though when I do take the time to edit and think about what I’m posting, I’m able to try to acknowledge the other point of view, whereas if I were in an actual heated discussion in real life, I might be more quickly dismissive and would probably use somewhat manipulative body langue, tone, and narrowed eyes to convey my point.

I don’t do that anymore. If you had found me in a pub in Europe the year after I graduated from college and I had drunk a great big chip onto my shoulder that evening, then you might find someone more aggressive than I am in real life, these days. I’ve been mellowed with age.

2. How do you think most of the people on the forum would
describe you? Are they right?


intelligent, articulate, nuanced, willing to dig to get at a deeper truth, self-critical, sometimes funny, often a bit quick on the draw, maybe needs to take a deep breath before posting, occasionally too dismissive, and sometimes too willing to go for the easy, cheap sucker punch than take a step back and be an adult about the situation.

They’d be right, insofar as we’d be discussing these topics in real life.


3. Whom do you think most like in FYM? (not necessarily in
conclusion, but in approach)


I see elements of myself in many posters, but in some ways, I do feel unique in that I don’t find as many people who let their hearts influence their head as much as I do. Or vice versa. So where I admire the well constructed arguments of, say, Yolland or Melon or A_W, they tend to argue from a much more clinical standpoint. Maybe I should just do my homework more, but I find myself unable to articulate a position that doesn’t have some sort of emotional component to it, or that I’ve got some sort of emotional dog in the fight. This is why economic issues don’t interest me as much as, say, war or the run-of-the-mill social issue.

Really thinking about it, perhaps the closest to this meld of head and heart is Sean. Or maybe even Nathan1977. As much as I disagree, I find him a pleasure to read, probably because I respond to his exemplary sensitivity. I usually find myself giving the old to many of anitram’s posts. Martha often says the things I think but am too chicken to say out loud. And I just plain old like joyfulgirl. And Dread. I also adore many of AngelaHarlem’s posts. No one cuts to the quick of things quite like she does. and i appreciate all non-American posts because I wish we had more of an international perspective in here.

And there are others, too, but too numerous to mention.

4. Who is the alpha on the forum? Why?

probably Yolland, though it’s a rare person who challenges Melon or A_W on a purely factual level. Deep has a strange ability to carry quite a bit of authority in a very unique way.

5. Do you have a tendency to defer to the alpha, challenge the
alpha or stay away?


I think I tend to defer, attempt to tangent to add another wrinkle in the topic, or take issue with something specific. No matter what, I try to choose my battles with said Alpha(s) very carefully.

6. Are you more inclined to post to change minds or explore
differences?


It depends on the topic, time of day, and my present mood. It probably works out more that I’m seeking to change minds, or at least attempting to complicate what I might find to be a simplistic analysis or understanding. So, yeah, probably 80% of the time I’m trying to win hearts and minds, but I find that, by far, my most rewarding experiences in FYM is when I turn the lens back on myself and discover something I never knew existed. It can be like therapy that way.

7. What do you bring to the forum?

Other than my ‘obvious’ social difference, I think I’m probably able to give a sense of emotional urgency to specific topics. I feel like there are many people who do more homework than I do, people who are better at crafting arguments, but what I do think I’m able to do is craft a good-enough argument and add a sense of emotional purpose to it that, I hope, others find compelling. But other than that, I suppose, I’m just another run-of-the-mill city slicker liberal from the northeastern US who thinks he knows what’s best for everybody.
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Forget Alpha, who's the Omega of the forum?

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Forget Alpha, who's the Omega of the forum?


you can be my Alpha any time.

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...what I do think I’m able to do is craft a good-enough argument and add a sense of emotional purpose to it that, I hope, others find compelling.
I think that's very well-put, ties into why I tend to see you as an "alpha" and, when I turn it around, probably also goes a long way towards explaining why I on the other hand tend to have a total tin ear for how to start a discussion, as opposed to jumping into one already underway--I have neither your gift for conveying "a sense of emotional purpose," nor, say, MrsS's knack for recognizing which news stories are most likely to spark a good discussion. Not sure if this ties into the "clinical standpoint" thing or not--melon, I think, is very good at starting discussions when he gets the time, and A_W is certainly better at it than I am--but it does ring true.
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Old 02-02-2008, 10:26 AM   #21
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1. What nonprurient parts of yourself don’t you show in FYM?

I don't usually show much personal vulnerability here and I
try not to show impatience. I'm blunter in real life. I
have more triggers than I show here. And I think I show
more logic than imagination. I'm usually honest, but
I'm not particularly open here, although I've opened
up some.

2. How do you think most of the people on the forum would
describe you? Are they right?

Self and other ways reflective, funny sometimes, balanced,
patient, nonreactive and often sitting on the fence.
(Except as a customer of the Critical Analysis thread,
although Unico got a well-deserved tip there)

Right and wrong. I'm usually externally patient, while internally
impatient. (I'm working on more internal patience). I
have more triggers. I have a reputation at work as not
somebody to mess with, so I have the luxury of external
patience. For discussion purposes, I like to see both sides
of an issue, but I usually know what side of the fence I am
on.

3. Whom do you think most like in FYM? (not necessarily in
conclusion, but in approach)

maycocksean mostly, on occasion Irvine. And I have wonderful
rapports with AngelaHarlem and Mrs. S., who bring out
another side of me. Sometimes a little like Wanderer
(although I have less tools)

4. Who is the alpha on the forum? Why?

I'd say Melon, due to the response of the other posters
in the forum. I think more deference is shown to him.
A case could be made for yolland and Irvine. But I think
Melon has almost a palpable presence here. You know
when he's here. I think Wanderer has the potential to
challenge, but is not inclined to. (I guess being that he
already figures he's the Alpha.)

5. Do you have a tendency to defer to the alpha, challenge the
alpha or stay away?

I might nip sometimes, but usually I stay far out of reach,
growling. A challenger in my heart, but wiser in my head.

6. Are you more inclined to post to change minds or explore
differences?

I can't really think of too many posts I've made here
with the purpose of changing anybody's mind.

7. What do you bring to the forum?

I give good summary and I ask different questions.
I like to draw out people.
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1. What nonprurient parts of yourself don’t you show in FYM?

I try to be very unique, to an extreme so that people either accept me or reject me based on that uniqueness. It is a defense mechanism of sorts, because I can always say they are not open minded to the chatacter I portray on the stage verses, me.

2. How do you think most of the people on the forum would
describe you? Are they right?

I think people would describe me as someone who enjoys the debate. It does not matter what side he is arguing, he sees multiple sides to it and is willing to engage in the debate. Sadly, this leads to an impression that I do not have convictions, which is far from the truth. I just do not see FYM as being a place where I have to stick to them, I learn more in here taking other positions than I do arguing the ones I believe in.

3. Whom do you think most like in FYM? (not necessarily in
conclusion, but in approach)

I have enjoyed sitting back and watching some of the younger crowd in recent months. Melon has always inspired me. BVS has also made an impact on me. I miss NBCrusader tremendously. Yolland is another who has always been on top of my list. Currently, I like watching U2Democrat.

4. Who is the alpha on the forum? Why?

I would say there are times when we have all had our moments. Sometimes I think it depends on the topic.

5. Do you have a tendency to defer to the alpha, challenge the
alpha or stay away?

I have but heads with almost everyone at one time or another.

6. Are you more inclined to post to change minds or explore
differences?

Explore differences.

7. What do you bring to the forum?

I think I am one of the more conservative people in the forum at times. I would say this is a voice that is at times missing in here.
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1. What nonprurient parts of yourself don’t you show in FYM?

Have no idea what that means....

2. How do you think most of the people on the forum would
describe you? Are they right?


I think most people would describe me as naive and a pain in the ass troublemaker and all-around shit-stirrer....NOTHING could be further than the truth. I speak my mind and I speak the truth as I see it. If that offends some people then I'm sorry but that's the nature of free debate.

3. Whom do you think most like in FYM? (not necessarily in
conclusion, but in approach)

There are a few posters whom I frequently engage in debate and I thorougly enjoy it.....BVS for one. I also like A_W because his posts are always logical and thought provoking...AND he's an Aussie! (oi, oi, oi).
I also like EVERYONE who has ever posted in the "Big Hug Thread" since the day I started it over two years ago.


4. Who is the alpha on the forum? Why?
There are many prominent posters on this forum but in this case I would have to say BVS. He is very passionate about his opinions (as am I) and always has facts to back him up.

5. Do you have a tendency to defer to the alpha, challenge the
alpha or stay away?

That's a very difficult question, however I WILL say that I never back away from a heated discussion unless it gets out of hand and the name calling starts.

6. Are you more inclined to post to change minds or explore
differences?

I would say to explore differences. I would never try to force my opinions on anyone else. They are my opinions and if someone agrees with me that's great - if not, then we debate.

7. What do you bring to the forum?
Honesty, friendship, integrity, emotion....and mostly RESPECT.
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1. What nonprurient parts of yourself don’t you show in FYM?

There's a lot, mainly because I don't see the internet as a medium to reveal oneself.

2. How do you think most of the people on the forum would describe you? Are they right?

I'm not sure, but the reactions I've seen before have generally been a combination of being aloof and/or intimidating. Those who have met me, though, learn that neither is particularly true.

3. Whom do you think most like in FYM? (not necessarily in conclusion, but in approach)

I tend to march to my own drummer, but I took some early inspiration from STING2/Strongbow, in terms of being able to be detached and stick on topic.

4. Who is the alpha on the forum? Why?

I don't consider anyone to be, but I understand that I have this way of dominating, if I choose to do so.

5. Do you have a tendency to defer to the alpha, challenge the alpha or stay away?

I'm not afraid to challenge anyone here, if need be.

6. Are you more inclined to post to change minds or explore differences?

It depends on my mood and the subject.

7. What do you bring to the forum?

The long lost art of liberal modernist zeal.
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melon, I think, is very good at starting discussions when he gets the time
Yes, it always comes down to time for me. But I never really ever consider myself "absent," though, because I lurk here several times a day. I just consider it inappropriate for me to post here while I'm at work.
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Yes, it always comes down to time for me. But I never really ever consider myself "absent," though, because I lurk here several times a day. I just consider it inappropriate for me to post here while I'm at work.
It's the same with me.
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