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Old 10-27-2004, 07:12 PM   #31
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Yeah because the Kenya Tanzania bombings were just a nuicance, as was the first Trade Centre Bombing and the USS Cole.
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Old 10-27-2004, 07:21 PM   #32
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If you believe that Osama bin Laden is the key figure in this War on Islamofascism then you have bought the government BS. In any case OBL is probably a stain on the bottom of 1000 tonnes of rock at Tora Bora.
Hey, could you stop using the term Islamofascism? Yeah, I know you explained somewhere what your definition and opinion were, but you know, some might feel offended by it.

I always thought the key factor was to get rid of Bin Laden, being one of the main terrorist targets, who´s been said to be responsible for 9/11. After all, that´s what started all the terrorist shit in homeland security America big time.

But maybe you say Islamism was a thorn in the eye of Bush from Day 1, even before of 9/11, because he´s a religious nut, and that´s why his soldiers are dying for him.

Well, that´s an interesting theory.

Don´t waste time on explaining how right your use of terms is, please. Just stop using the term in the interest of any person who believes in the Koran, might want to join the discussions on FYM, doesn´t know what the shit you´re talking about, and feels just as offened as one of us would feel if we were called KKK-Christians.

Thank you.
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You will love to hear I´m not a democrat. I´m not bringing Osama up either, I´m just speculating on logical questions.

Besides, why should Clinton have gone hunting for Osama? I know, we all like to hunt down terrorists from time to time, but the real big thing was 9/11, that´s when the U.S. had a really, really definite reason to go looking for him, no? From what I´ve heard, Clinton was also busy dealing with the Israel, like all U.S. Presidents before and after him.

Nah, say what you want, it was Bush´s fucking duty to get rid of this bastard. And he didn´t.
Well you may or may not be democrat, green party, we the people party or maybe your own one-person party, but you obviously share their anti-Bush sentiment, so I'll just lump you in with them for the sake of my own convenience.

Clinton didn't have to hunt. He was offered bin Laden once and didn't take him. And he was told of bin Laden's whereabouts and contemplated bombing, but decided that getting his intern to give him a blow job was a more pressing matter of national security. This guy is the one who should be tarred and feathered. They knew he was responsible for the FIRST bombing on the world trade center, so we DID have a legitimate reason to get him. Clinton had no interest. Yet you lambast Bush because he had faulty intelligence, but at least DID something according to the information we had then. The fact that his political opponents gleefully jumped on what the bad intelligence yeilded and dragged him through the mud, is a smokescreen to cover up that when THEY were in power they had TWO seperate occasions to get Osama who HAD previously attacked us but didn't. This is why Bush is ahead in this regard and the people who share your sentiment are a joke.

The other reason is this missing weapons thing now in Iraq, which has proved to be a hoax perpetrated by the New York Times in conjunction with the Kerry campagn who had a suspiciously-quick ad on TV the next day. There is no date given to when the weapons dissappeared and for all we know Saddam moved them, because they were gone when we got there, and if he moved THESE weapons...what else might he have moved out of the country prior to our invasion? Any way you look at it this hurt's Kerry's credibility. For him to admit that these explosives are DANGEROUS makes it look like we were justified in going into Iraq, since we have collected over 400,000 tons of this stuff that Saddam had stockpiled. That alone is reason to go in. And now that we know the 101st airborn didn't find any of this on their arrival suggests they might have been moved before we invaded, and if they were, any number of things might have been too...i.e. WMD's. So this hurts no one but Kerry, but he won't let go of it, even now that everyone knows it's a hoax.

So Bush wins definitively.
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Old 10-27-2004, 07:26 PM   #34
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Yeah because the Kenya Tanzania bombings were just a nuicance, as was the first Trade Centre Bombing and the USS Cole.
I have never said that was a nuisance. I talked about the "real big thing". I could ask you why Bush didn´t go hunting for Osama before of 9/11, when he was already in office.

Apart from that, you are putting words into my mouth. Please change your way of argumentation. Otherwise, I will just disrespect you.
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I have never said that was a nuisance. I talked about the "real big thing". I could ask you why Bush didn´t go hunting for Osama before of 9/11, when he was already in office.

Following that logic Clinton should have too, and Clinton was the one with 2 real opportunities.
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Well you may or may not be democrat, green party, we the people party or maybe your own one-person party, but you obviously share their anti-Bush sentiment, so I'll just lump you in with them for the sake of my own convenience.
Thanks, that says it all. I didn´t read the rest of your post.

If you can´t control your emotions enough to argue with a certain minimal level of respect, I have absolutely no reason to waste my time with you.
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Thanks, that says it all. I didn´t read the rest of your post.

If you can´t control your emotions enough to argue with a certain minimal level of respect, I have absolutely no reason to waste my time with you.
Poor thing.

Having listened to the way you talk about Bush in here lately I figured you had no problem with vicious personal attacks. But I guess that double standard comes in handy when you have no facts to come back with to my arguments, just hurt feelings. Go cry in your pillow now, and let the grown ups argue.
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(Kerry fumbling yards away from the political endzone)
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My boss told me about a month ago that last spring he predicted the Red Sox winning the World Series - and Kerry winning the Presidency. Two weeks ago, after the 3rd Yankee win - I thought his predictions were going to prove wrong.

ooooh lets hope so! We are halfway to the prediction being right. WOOOOHOOOO SOX!!!!!!! *does the dance of joy*
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You said that the "real big thing" was 9/11 and that was when the US had a definite reason to go after him. I then alluded to John Kerry saying (a single sentence in a long and interesting interview) that getting terrorism to the back of peoples minds was the long term goal, making it more of a nuicance than a critical issue - which was pretty much the way the US dealt with terrorism.

I am not putting words in your mouth, I am making the point that Bin Laden was considered a very dangerous man who they tried to kill before 9/11 on numerous occasions but unfortunately didn't deal with the Sudanese when they were offering to turn him over, now this is all quite moot but he was a big threat before 9.11 and miscalculating how big a threat was a mistake - nobody was to blame.

Now I do not think that Bush was significantly aware of the danger prior to 9/11, I do not think that too many people were. The point of the matter is that since then he is one of the few world leaders who has twinged to the magnitude of the threat, this administration has made mistakes through the course of this war, but overall they know what is at stake and will go all out. The theofascist groups epitomised by Al Qaeda have declared total war and we are all potential combatants whether we like it or not. We need to have solid leadership on all fronts, Bush is not necessarily an FDR or Truman in this respect but he does understand the threat better than John Kerry and his cadre of Clintonistas.

This is not a question of us declaring a holy war with Bush being motivated out of a fundamentalist Christian desire to convert the Pagan Muslims, it is a question about where the world is heading - the old versus the modern, religious loathing against free and secular societies.

Fine, theofascist will do fine, I got called a Nazi because I used the more neutral and vague terminology in relation to the school of thought that Al Qaeda stems from and people got rather mixed up so I may as I said then I may as well go to the fullest extent as to distinguish between religion and a politically opressive system.

Now if you can show me those Christians (of which I have met before and do not like one bit) that believe that Arabs should be blown up because they are non-Believers then I will be more than happy to call them KKK-Christians. Differentiating between regular people who believe in love and peace and people of faith who wish to visit destruction upon non-believers is important. Playing games about being engaged in a "War on Terrorism" when we don't give a flying fuck about the non-Apocalyptic Doomsday terrorists is dishonest.

P.S. You seem to be snarky and Iota is acting like a dick.
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back on topic [this was supposed to be fun!], the Red Sox won therefore Kerry will win because Kerry is from Boston.

ok, back to the hijack.
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(Kerry fumbling yards away from the political endzone)

Is this how Bush supporters reach out to women voters?
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I hope not. Sorry to say but that's one ugly woman.
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Old 10-28-2004, 04:10 PM   #44
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It actually looks like his sister
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That's actually kind of funny. I got the original image from an avatar on another message board that looked like it was taken the split second Kerry was passed a football and his face is all contorted...and now...um...looks like the guy changed his avatar...

oops.
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