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Old 01-31-2005, 02:16 PM   #16
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The principals are not doing their jobs if they are not making sure the curriculum being taught is in line with the State Frameworkds.

The State frameworks are based on National Standards, so the order in which things are taught may be jumbled, but they should all be in alignment with the national Standards and hit the same topics.

I cannot say where the breakdown is where you have taught, be it state, local, or building level. I can only say that in the past ten years, we have moved from teaching whatever we would like to teach, towards a more defined standard.
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I agree with you, Dread. Here in VA we have SOLs-Standards of Learning. There's something similar in most states. This testing at the end of the year puts a cap on what the teachers want to spend more time on and their creativity. They have to teach to a test instead of fully educating the students. Both students and teachers alike hate the SOLs, and I think actual learning has not been as efficient since SOLs were put into place.
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This scares me. No wonder some younger people don't think I should be protesting. This is so strange, when I was in high school it was the older people who disapproved of protest politics. Now it's vice versa, the younger people don't approve of another generation's protest politics.
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well y'all don't be dismayed there are a few of us high schoolers who care......like me..........
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I agree with you, Dread. Here in VA we have SOLs-Standards of Learning. There's something similar in most states. This testing at the end of the year puts a cap on what the teachers want to spend more time on and their creativity. They have to teach to a test instead of fully educating the students. Both students and teachers alike hate the SOLs, and I think actual learning has not been as efficient since SOLs were put into place.
I disagree......

Standards of Learning have increased student achievement in students that were being passed along in school.

Standards of Learning do NOT lower creativity in teaching. Creative teachers will find a way to teach the SOL through creative means.

Teaching the SOL does not = teaching to the test. This is an example in my opinion of a staff that does not like being held accountable.

Teachers in general, loved the freedom to do whatever they wanted in their classrooms. Teachers can still do this, as long as they are finding the way to work the SOL into their teaching.

I have no sympathy for educators that claim the have to A) teach to the test and B) are having their creativity stymied by standards. it simply is not true. Good teachers, figure out a way to continue to be good teachers no matter what they are asked to teach.
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this is true. but say when we miss days due to snow or in some cases hurricanes (one year the sniper ) then the teachers feel pressed and pressured to get things done faster and have to cancel fun activities they had previously planned. but i'm not a teacher so i'm just relaying what i hear from them
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this is true. but say when we miss days due to snow or in some cases hurricanes (one year the sniper ) then the teachers feel pressed and pressured to get things done faster and have to cancel fun activities they had previously planned. but i'm not a teacher so i'm just relaying what i hear from them
Tell me about it...I just lost a week and the state testing is three months away.


I am leaving my classroom in three weeks for my six week principal internship.


Tell me about stress....for six weeks my kids are in someone elses hands.....

grrrr.....

I did not say I do not feel the pressure of State Testing....that is another thing all together,
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well it goes both ways. as the teacher gets stressed about teaching the students get stressed about learning. thankfully i'm a senior and am all done with the SOLs, so my teachers in the core classes (well except AP) are much more laid back and fun.
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I wonder if these kids are just acting their age, afraid to ask questions, or if they just don't pay attention. On the flipside, it could be the education they get, that's what seems to get the most blame anyhow. Of course my cluelessness is based on the fact that it's been a while since high school, and I care not to remember the maturity level at the time.
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immature high schoolers

i hate to think that i was as bad as the freshmen at one point....oy. but, i'll be a freshman again next year. (at college, obviously)
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Born in 1984....

I am going to cry....

I graduated High School in 86.
You think you're gonna cry? I got my BA in 1985... (and I had to take a bit of time off -- family issues -- so it took me five years)

And I'll be back to weigh in on "kids these days" a bit later...
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You think you're gonna cry? I got my BA in 1985... (and I had to take a bit of time off -- family issues -- so it took me five years)

And I'll be back to weigh in on "kids these days" a bit later...
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I don't even think it's necessarily that the teachers aren't doing their jobs or that the curriculum is bad (although there are obviously cases where this is true). When I was in high school (I graduated in '01) I had some great teachers but the kids in the class just didn't absorb a damned thing that they were saying, I mean they couldn't remember the most basic things like the capital of their own state even when we'd gone over it. I almost always hated being in any class that wasn't advanced or AP because of how dumbed down things were and people still weren't getting it .
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Mom,

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Watch it, smartass!

I'm not really surprised by th results of this survey though. I think the Homeland Security act and the country's support for that has a fair amount to do with it too. As a nation we've been very willing to trade freedom for security (or at least the illusion of security). For an adult, the three + years since 9/11 hasn't been that long, but for a child it's a long time and the idea of freedom of speech hasn't been as firmly instilled in them. Plus, I can't help but feel that many of these kids are parroting what they hear at home. I mean how many people do you know that are outraged that burning the flag as a form of protest is legal, or that newspapers "shouldn't be able to print that stuff"?

I believe this country has been moving in the direction of curbing personal liberties for many years now and this is simply frightening proof that it is working.
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Standards of Learning have increased student achievement in students that were being passed along in school.

Standards of Learning do NOT lower creativity in teaching. Creative teachers will find a way to teach the SOL through creative means.

Teaching the SOL does not = teaching to the test. This is an example in my opinion of a staff that does not like being held accountable.

Teachers in general, loved the freedom to do whatever they wanted in their classrooms. Teachers can still do this, as long as they are finding the way to work the SOL into their teaching.

I have no sympathy for educators that claim the have to A) teach to the test and B) are having their creativity stymied by standards. it simply is not true. Good teachers, figure out a way to continue to be good teachers no matter what they are asked to teach.
Can you relocate to the Newport Mesa School District and teach my son's 5th grade class next year?

You have a model approach to a complex system
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