jay canseco
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Can the Constitution protect the freedom of religion? In what circumstances do religious arguments win out over rational arguements (based on fact) in a court of law?
melon said:I think we need freedom from religion. Most religious arguments, by design, are irrational and scientifically insupportable.
Melon
Evolution concerns prompte theaters to cancel volcano movie
CHARLESTON, S.C. Some movie theaters are pulling the plug on a film about volcanoes, fearing it might offend people who don't believe in evolution.
The IMAX production called "Volcanoes of the Deep Sea" makes a connection between microbes found in undersea volcanoes and human D-N-A.
The distributor says the theaters that have decided not to run it are in Texas, Georgia and the Carolinas. The director of a theater in Charleston reasons that, "Many people here believe in creationism, not evolution."
An official of the California Science Center fears the box-office ban could have a chilling effect on other science productions. He's afraid directors will drop all reference to evolution.
melon said:Most religious arguments, by design, are irrational and scientifically insupportable.
coemgen said:Remember, it's freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. Also, plenty of religious argmuments are based on fact and are rational.
Irvine511 said:
i'd say we need both.
coemgen said:To a certain degree Irvine, I can agree with you. Where the line is drawn is where the debate is though.
Irvine511 said:
i'd say that you are free to practice whatever religion you want, so long as it doesn't interfere with my rights and life nor does that religion break any of the nation's laws.
hmmm .... any examples anyone can come up with that might illuminate where things can get muddy? (and they do)
coemgen said:Remember, it's freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. Also, plenty of religious argmuments are based on fact and are rational.
Evolution concerns prompte theaters to cancel volcano movie CHARLESTON, S.C. Some movie theaters are pulling the plug on a film about volcanoes, fearing it might offend people who don't believe in evolution. The IMAX production called "Volcanoes of the Deep Sea" makes a connection between microbes found in undersea volcanoes and human D-N-A. The distributor says the theaters that have decided not to run it are in Texas, Georgia and the Carolinas. The director of a theater in Charleston reasons that, "Many people here believe in creationism, not evolution." An official of the California Science Center fears the box-office ban could have a chilling effect on other science productions. He's afraid directors will drop all reference to evolution.
all_i_want said:i am totally french towards religion. they are dealing with it pretty well. you should be able to practice your religion as you wish, but it doesnt mean you can impose your religious views on others. public servants should not be allowed to wear headscarves etc. why do some people feel the need to shove their religious ideas down others throats? keep it to yourself, we dont wanna know which religion you follow.
How is this relevant?deep said:
When your children come home from school and lay out the prayer rugs
and start praying to Mecca 5 times a day you will want freedom FROM religion.
all_i_want said:judiciary, administration and legislature, and all their branches should be completely stripped off any religious allegiance. if a public servant, say a cop, wears a scarf at work, that is against the dress code for that exact reason, and it should not be allowed. public service is no place to prove you are good muslim/christian/jew whatever. do it in your private life, it is that simple.
jay canseco said:Can the Constitution protect the freedom of religion? In what circumstances do religious arguments win out over rational arguements (based on fact) in a court of law?
all_i_want said:judiciary, administration and legislature, and all their branches should be completely stripped off any religious allegiance. if a public servant, say a cop, wears a scarf at work, that is against the dress code for that exact reason, and it should not be allowed. public service is no place to prove you are good muslim/christian/jew whatever. do it in your private life, it is that simple.
Judah said:
Well...it's never that cut and dried is it. Is it ok to wear/display a cross? A Star of David? Even as a public servant? Yes, probably. Is it ok to wear a Sikh turban? Mostly, yes (especially here in Canada, where the Sikh Mounties can wear their turbans). How about a Sikh ceremonial dagger? Well, that's iffy. How about a "Jesus Saves" t-shirt on the job (especially if it's not a job where you deal with the public too much)?
I don't have the details of how the French laws work (i.e. regarding dress codes at schools). I think they have a blanket policy of no religious expression in the dress code. Does anyone know whether that includes wearing crosses, etc.?
Macfistowannabe said:How is this relevant?
Freedom OF Religion. It's in the constitution, let's not kid ourselves. Parents can't FORCE religion, nor can the government. Schools can however teach about different religions in order to provide a sense of understanding of the outside world.deep said:Why is it not?
It wouldn't kill to be educated on different cultures and traditions. Ignorance is an alternative to education. You seem to think that because my kids would learn about Islamic traditions and customs, that it means they will become muslims.deep said:Would you want your kids to learn this religous pratices in public schools or at other government sponsered events?
Macfistowannabe said:Freedom OF Religion. It's in the constitution, let's not kid ourselves. Parents can't FORCE religion, nor can the government. Schools can however teach about different religions in order to provide a sense of understanding of the outside world.
It wouldn't kill to be educated on different cultures and traditions. Ignorance is an alternative to education. You seem to think that because my kids would learn about Islamic traditions and customs, that it means they will become muslims.
Absolutely. Take Islamic nations for example, which will not allow people to learn about other religions.deep said:Learning about it would be good.
And that's not right in a public school. If that's what you were getting after, I missed it earlier.deep said:However, in many parts of this country we would have bible study during class time.
They would certainly not be happy, quite a few of them anyways.deep said:And if children were made to read the Koran their parents would be up in arms.