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Old 03-23-2005, 11:31 AM   #1
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Can the Constitution protect the freedom of religion? In what circumstances do religious arguments win out over rational arguements (based on fact) in a court of law?
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the answer should be, never. religion should stay out of law, governance and must be restricted to people's private lives. it has no say in the workings of state. freedom of religion is protected by keeping it private.
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Remember, it's freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. Also, plenty of religious argmuments are based on fact and are rational.
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I think we need freedom from religion. Most religious arguments, by design, are irrational and scientifically insupportable.

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I think we need freedom from religion. Most religious arguments, by design, are irrational and scientifically insupportable.

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Is that a fact?
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We need both, just like we have.
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Freedom for ignorance?


Quote:
Evolution concerns prompte theaters to cancel volcano movie

CHARLESTON, S.C. Some movie theaters are pulling the plug on a film about volcanoes, fearing it might offend people who don't believe in evolution.
The IMAX production called "Volcanoes of the Deep Sea" makes a connection between microbes found in undersea volcanoes and human D-N-A.

The distributor says the theaters that have decided not to run it are in Texas, Georgia and the Carolinas. The director of a theater in Charleston reasons that, "Many people here believe in creationism, not evolution."

An official of the California Science Center fears the box-office ban could have a chilling effect on other science productions. He's afraid directors will drop all reference to evolution.
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This is where freedom clashes with reason. The limits of freedom should come at the indefinable bounary where other's freedoms are infringed.

Could a logical program based on mathmatical fact determine this boundary? Can we find the integral limits on this curve? Are imaginary numbers involved?

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Most religious arguments, by design, are irrational and scientifically insupportable.
How have you arrived at this conclusion?
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Remember, it's freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. Also, plenty of religious argmuments are based on fact and are rational.

i'd say we need both.
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To a certain degree Irvine, I can agree with you. Where the line is drawn is where the debate is though.
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i'd say we need both.
I'd say we have both and they're always in conflict. Reason always wins in court. Therefore freedom of religion does not exist.
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To a certain degree Irvine, I can agree with you. Where the line is drawn is where the debate is though.

i'd say that you are free to practice whatever religion you want, so long as it doesn't interfere with my rights and life nor does that religion break any of the nation's laws.

hmmm .... any examples anyone can come up with that might illuminate where things can get muddy? (and they do)
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i'd say that you are free to practice whatever religion you want, so long as it doesn't interfere with my rights and life nor does that religion break any of the nation's laws.

hmmm .... any examples anyone can come up with that might illuminate where things can get muddy? (and they do)
This story from last year here has a couple examples.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/03/30/us...l.headscarves/


The first (and major part of the story) is about an 11-year-old Muslim girl who was banned by her school to wear the head scarf (went against school dress codes). U.S. government intervened mostly for ensuring "freedom of religion" reasons.

At the bottom of the story is a mention of the Florida Muslim-woman case where she wanted to be veiled for her drivers' license picture...Florida court wouldn't allow it, citing public safety reasons (sounded fair to me).
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Remember, it's freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. Also, plenty of religious argmuments are based on fact and are rational.
When your children come home from school and lay out the prayer rugs
and start praying to Mecca 5 times a day you will want freedom FROM religion.
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