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Old 09-04-2005, 03:47 PM   #1
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Freedom IS Free

Who ever came up with this "freedom isn't free" credo must have never read the Bill of Rights.

It is my understanding..having read the aforementioned, the EVERYBODY was born with rights such as "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness..." The very essences of freedom.

Notice, I say BORN with these rights.

These days I think if I want REAL freedom, I need to immigrate to Canada or somewhere in the E.U.

I feel utterly oppressed by my government.....and it is a shame.
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Old 09-04-2005, 04:59 PM   #2
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Freedom isn't free because so many people in our history have fought to defend it. It's not that deep.

P.S. If you need any boxes for moving, let me know.
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Old 09-04-2005, 05:11 PM   #3
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Re: Freedom IS Free

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I feel utterly oppressed by my government.....and it is a shame.
Oh sure, you can feel oppressed by the government, but if you're living in the U.S. you aren't oppressed.
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Old 09-04-2005, 05:54 PM   #4
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"I need to immigrate to Canada or somewhere in the E.U."


Take the ride,if you wish, neverman,

Please let us know if you find REAL freedom there.
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Old 09-04-2005, 06:24 PM   #5
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"I need to immigrate to Canada or somewhere in the E.U."


Take the ride,if you wish, neverman,

Please let us know if you find REAL freedom there.
Why wouldn't you?

Besides, you can't immigrate to the EU at all. It's impossible. The EU is nothing but an organized lockbox.

Canada is less stringent, but you need about $4000 at your disposal and qualify under their skilled worker program for permanent residency. It's not a cakewalk.

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Old 09-04-2005, 06:30 PM   #6
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Besides, you can't immigrate to the EU at all. It's impossible. The EU is nothing but an organized lockbox.

Do you mind citing some evidence or sources, or alternatively just admit that your statement above is bullshit.

I have worked with Americans, Canadians, Malaysians, Chinese, Iraqis, and others.

Walking down O'Connell Street Dublin, it's like the United Nations. Which personally I think is a good thing, it brings vibrancy and variety to Dublin city.

All right here in the EU.

Are you telling me I imagined it?
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Do you mind citing some evidence or sources, or alternatively just admit that your statement above is bullshit.

I have worked with Americans, Canadians, Malaysians, Chinese, Iraqis, and others.

Walking down O'Connell Street Dublin, it's like the United Nations. Which personally I think is a good thing, it brings vibrancy and variety to Dublin city.

All right here in the EU.

Are you telling me I imagined it?
I've talked to other Europeans who have told me exactly that. But they also aren't Irish.

If you don't mind telling me how they got there, I'd love to hear it.

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I do believe the large numbers of Canadians in the UK has to do with there being different regulations for Commonwealth immigration than other nations for many years. I am not sure what the current rules are.
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My understanding from a fellow grad student (who travels extensively around Europe ), is that the situation is much closer to melon's description, especially France. Americans just can't pick up and move over there because it is a very lengthy process.
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Old 09-04-2005, 09:12 PM   #10
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If you don't mind telling me how they got there, I'd love to hear it.

Leave it with me....
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I do believe the large numbers of Canadians in the UK has to do with there being different regulations for Commonwealth immigration than other nations for many years. I am not sure what the current rules are.

Possibly. However Ireland is not part of the Commonwealth, neither is it part of the UK, but I have worked with a number of Canadian work colleagues.
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Oh sure, you can feel oppressed by the government, but if you're living in the U.S. you aren't oppressed.
Is that so. Do gays and poor people just feel oppressed then? They aren't really?
Your country is one of the most warped in this so called free world. Hate to say it. You all deserve better, but dont seem to want it. Very strange.

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Immigration laws differ for each and every country in the EU. The EU acts on the principle of subsidiarity. I know a few Americans here, and I don´t think it was so difficult for them to find a place in Austria. It is much more difficult when you´re really poor, coming from Eastern Europe, former USSR or Africa. We got about 40,000 Americans, English etc. in Vienna alone (partly because of the UN) that make a part of the international community. we got an English bookshop, Irish pubs, an English newspaper, English radio for the international community, just name it. People are very welcome here.

From my understanding, it is much more tight to get a greencard. Two buddies of mine, radio DJs, are from the States. It doesn´t seem the immigration process was that complicated for them.
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"I need to immigrate to Canada or somewhere in the E.U."


Take the ride,if you wish, neverman,

Please let us know if you find REAL freedom there.
If you mean the REAL freedom of walking the streets at 3 a.m. without having fear to get mugged or raped, without needing a weapon to defend yourself, free (or comparatively cheap) healthcare and universities, yeah.

We might also have a tiny little place left for you, iron horse.
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Old 09-04-2005, 11:33 PM   #15
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How there is a discussion after this post is beyond me. Clearly the guy didn't get the quote "Freedom is not free."

...Move on.
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