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Old 12-06-2007, 12:24 PM   #61
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FOX News Refuses To Run "Rescue The Constitution" Ad

Never mind - I misread someone's post.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FOX News Refuses To Run "Rescue The Constitution" Ad

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That's all fine and dandy if you applaud someone becoming a monster to defeat a monster.

But the constitution doesn't allow it. That's something you haven't seemed to ever understood.
If you're scoring at home.

Allowed by the constitution:

Killing terrorists -- No
Killing babies -- Yes
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If you're scoring at home.

Allowed by the constitution:

Killing terrorists -- No
Killing babies -- Yes
And the IQ level of this thread takes yet another sack!


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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FOX News Refuses To Run "Rescue The Constitution" Ad

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If you're scoring at home.

Allowed by the constitution:

Killing terrorists -- No
Killing babies -- Yes
It also gives you the freedom of speech in order to make such an idiotic statement.
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Old 12-06-2007, 01:42 PM   #65
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The only thing I understand is that the U.S. was brutally attacked on 9/11 and 3,000 people were murdered.......and their murderers must be dealt with viciously.

How can the U.S. ever hope to fight the war on terror with one arm tied behind its back??
So not allowing torture or the holding of prisoners without habeus corpus is one arm behind your back? Please.

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If you or your family were threatened, you'd make damm sure they were safe and sound using any means necessary to provide for their safety - and so would I.
I would do anything in my power, correct. But if I broke the law doing so I'd expect to do time.


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I've said on more than one occasion that the constitution was drafted in the 18th century and must be updated and revised to meet 21st century conditions and threats.
The constitution has been changed and modified, they are called ammendments.

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While we're on the subject......tell the victims of the Nebraska mall shooter how wonderful the constitution is.....it's a great thing the right to bear arms.....where anyone can buy a gun and go on a rampage whenever they want - hallelujah and god bless America.......
Oh your hero would be telling you to 'shut up' right now. O'Reiley would be very upset.

It's funny how you support "any means necessary" and torture yet no guns.

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With all due respect to the constitution, we aren't living in the same world as the founding fathers were. We face new challenges and greater dangers and I'm sure Al Quaida would have made mincemeat out of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson had they been around at that time.

Well you've never been a fan of our constitution to begin with, be honest. You don't like our free speech, you don't like a lot of things.

Why would AlQuaeda have made "mincemeat" out of George Washington? That doesn't even make sense. If anything our revolution was much closer to terrorist warfare than our armies of today.
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Can we not refer to other posters and their comments as idiot, please. And I probably am one for leaving this thread open, but please stay on the topic of Fox refusing to run the CCR ad.

Also please keep in mind that there's this great function called ignore, for people you already know from experience you're just going to lose your patience with to no avail.
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I would never refer to another poster as being an idiot, for I think INDY is quite intelligent, although this comment was knee jerk at best, but I apologize for using the word 'idiotic'.
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Can we not call a spade a spade?

If something's dumb, it's dumb. There's no point in caching it in PC language to avoid hurt feelings. And if someone's feelings are hurt because someone they've never met says that something they said online is "idiotic", then they've got really thin skin to begin with.

Personally, if I were to say something irredeemably stupid, I would hope that someone calls me on it rather than pussyfoot around it for the sake of politeness. That's all I'm getting at. I know nobody here's a genuine idiot, and I respect you all, but I'm not here to feel warm and fuzzy at all times. Genuine debate that people can learn from and expand their worldview requires antagonism to a certain extent.

That's all, I guess.

Carry on.
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I apologize as well. As a Fox News viewer I may have used language (terrorist, unborn child) that viewers of other news channels may not be comfortable with. So allow me to change my wording.

Allowed by the constitution:

Killing misguided international criminals -- No

Woman's right to choose -- Yes
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Only because it sounds like a comparison, it doesn't make a comparison.
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Originally posted by INDY500
I apologize as well. As a Fox News viewer I may have used language (terrorist, unborn child) that viewers of other news channels may not be comfortable with. So allow me to change my wording.

Allowed by the constitution:

Killing misguided international criminals -- No

Woman's right to choose -- Yes
Doesn't matter the words. The whole premise of your "argument" is worthless.

Who and where did anyone say anything about killing terrorists? Is that what you are wishing for, that we just walk into Gitmo and slaughter them all?

At least if you're going to continue along this line of "debate" then use the talking points people are using...
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Why is it the conservatives claim to be exclusively patriotic, yet it's the "liberals" who defend the Constitution?
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Re: Re: Re: Re: FOX News Refuses To Run "Rescue The Constitution" Ad

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Since when is saving lives against the constitution? You don't know what kind of information the government is obtaining thru these methods that have prevented countless attacks from happening again in the U.S. .

Bottom line - You fight fire with fire and terrorism with terrorism because that's the only language the terrorists understand.
You don't fight terrorism by gentle persuasion.....only by brute force.

I APPLAUD the U.S. government for going after the terrorists using their own methods, and I applaud President Bush for doing his job.
Seriously, do you listen to yourself?

Everything you said PROVES the point they were making in the ad.
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The only thing I understand is that the U.S. was brutally attacked on 9/11 and 3,000 people were murdered.......and their murderers must be dealt with viciously.

How can the U.S. ever hope to fight the war on terror with one arm tied behind its back??

If you or your family were threatened, you'd make damm sure they were safe and sound using any means necessary to provide for their safety - and so would I.

I've said on more than one occasion that the constitution was drafted in the 18th century and must be updated and revised to meet 21st century conditions and threats.

With all due respect to the constitution, we aren't living in the same world as the founding fathers were. We face new challenges and greater dangers and I'm sure Al Quaida would have made mincemeat out of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson had they been around at that time.
I agree with some of what you are saying here. But here's the problem:

1) We are currently in a war with a country. A country did not attack us on 9/11.

2) A majority of the people we torture had nothing to do with 9/11.

3) The consitution should be revised in some respects (i.e.: taking the religion out of it). But not to allow us to use cruel and unusual punishment.

4) Fighting terrorism with terrorism solves nothing. Why do you think terrorists attack the US? How do you think we defeated enemies before?
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Quote:
Originally posted by INDY500
Killing misguided international criminals -- No

Woman's right to choose -- Yes
Let me revise your wording again:

Killing or torturing criminal suspects - No

Woman's right to choose - Yes
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