Fox News *is* biased, so says FN London Bureau Chief

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can we now put to rest any protestations that FoxNews is, in any way, shape, or form, "fair and balanced"? this should come as absolutely no surprise, but it's nice to see at least someone be honest, rather than coy.

also, some interesting comments about the BBC.



"Even we at Fox News manage to get some lefties on the air occasionally, and often let them finish their sentences before we club them to death and feed the scraps to Karl Rove and Bill O'Reilly. And those who hate us can take solace in the fact that they aren't subsidizing Bill's bombast; we payers of the BBC license fee don't enjoy that peace of mind. Fox News is, after all, a private channel and our presenters are quite open about where they stand on particular stories. That's our appeal. People watch us because they know what they are getting. The Beeb's institutionalized leftism would be easier to tolerate if the corporation was a little more honest about it." - Fox News' London bureau chief, Scott Norvell

http://slate.msn.com/id/2119864/
 
But don't you see, Fox News is biased, but it's the RIGHT SORT of bias.

The BBC is also biased, but there it is the WRONG SORT of bias.

I trust this clears matters up. :wink:

P.S. He does have a point about the license fee thing I suppose.
 
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u2bonogirl said:
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SNL is biased and I dont hear anybody freaking out about that



SNL is a comedy show. nowhere do you see "news" in the title.

many people of conservative leanings get all their news from Fox, and in opinion polls they tend to be far less educated than the average viewer of, say, the three major networks, let alone viewers of The Daily Show -- i have read (and if i weren't at work, i'd try to look it up) that almost a majority of people who watch Fox believe that we have found WMDs in Iraq and that Saddam Hussein was involved in 9-11.

while Fox, a private channel, can do whatever it well pleases, this quote should render any and all conservatives who wish to source FoxNews as either unbiased, or even as a source for reliable news, completely and utterly moot.

watch FoxNews for entertainment, not for serious journalism.

that's the message here.

and please do not reference, "well on Fox i saw ..." as a point for argument, since the source itself now admits it cannot be trusted.
 
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You can take this comment as individual boasting or as an official statement on FoxNews coverage.

If it is the "official" statement, then you could appreciate the honesty with which it is given in light of liberal news sources smuggly declaring that they are obviously not biased.

I find it amusing that now two sources of information can be discounted wholesale for their "conservative bias" as a way to avoid discussing an issue.
 
nbcrusader said:
You can take this comment as individual boasting or as an official statement on FoxNews coverage.

If it is the "official" statement, then you could appreciate the honesty with which it is given in light of liberal news sources smuggly declaring that they are obviously not biased.

I find it amusing that now two sources of information can be discounted wholesale for their "conservative bias" as a way to avoid discussing an issue.



but the quote goes beyond even bias -- with the mention of providing fodder for Karl Rove, the channel is clearly pushing an agenda.

i'm happy about the honesty. but i don't see a liberal counterpart to Fox's blatant agenda pushing and relentless slanting of news in order to provide the current administration with as much favorable spin on events, especially ugly events, as possible. what are these "liberal" news sources?

no one is advocating not discussing an issue. its just that FoxNews is about as credible as, say, Jayson Blair.
 
There are some people who say.......Fox News is a reputable and legitimate news source.:wink:
 
u2bonogirl said:
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SNL is biased and I dont hear anybody freaking out about that

not that it matters

but, they rip the left every chance they get

have you not seen the parodies of:

Bill Clinton
Sharpton
J. Jackson

Al Gore?

So if they parody Bush, also
is that bias?

I guess Fox viewers only want to see one side bashed.
 
Badda boom, badda bing. You're a funny guy, Headache, a funny guy. :happy:

PS: I can't believe I didn't notice CNN are a bunch of communists. How naive of me. :wink:
 
Oh, hell, aren't all journalists biased? Some are liberal, some are conservative, some are centrist, hell, maybe some are socialist and others might sympathize with the Ku Klux Klan.........my God, that's scary. We all have our biases and sympathies. Are journalists any different? There is no objective truth in politics, there are only opinions.
 
Headache in a Suitcase said:
the majority of the press leans to the left... one network leans to the right.. whoopity damn do... who gives a shit



there's a big difference between the (highly debatable) left-leaning mainstream media, and a channel that now openly admits to pursuing a specific agenda, i.e., providing fodder for Karl Rove.

at the end of the day, most media outlets are not driven by ideology; they are driven by advertising sales.
 
nbcrusader said:
The point is that we must now completely discount the conservative voices.




no, just this one.

or, place it in the same category as other unabashedly conservative publications -- The National Review, The Weekly Standard, The American Prospect, etc.

FoxNews cannot be held up as an equivalent to CNN, MSNBC, or any of the other network stations. they are playing by different rules and have a different agenda as they are now an admitted mouthpiece for the Bush administration.

they have every right to exist and to express their viewpoint. we just cannot rely upon them for accurate reporting.
 
"Fair and balanced" appears to be relative. Like the NY Times is fair and balanced.

It all adds up to marketing. Some folks only want to buy the liberal brand.
 
Irvine511 said:

a channel that now openly admits to pursuing a specific agenda, i.e., providing fodder for Karl Rove.

Did you see the film "Outfoxed"? It was pretty amazing how blatantly, unapologetically, true this is. It was amusing, too. They talked about how Fox news affiliates would basically get a memo saying what the buzz word or spin of the week was and then they'd show one affiliate after another spouting off the buzzwords. Like, one week it was Kerry the flip flop, so they'd show one correspondent after another all over the country dropping the phrase flip flop.

I have the dubious distinction of actually having met Rupert Murdoch many times when I worked for a publishing house in NYC that was bought by him while I was there. I left soon after because of it.
 
Headache in a Suitcase said:
the majority of the press leans to the left... one network leans to the right.. whoopity damn do... who gives a shit


The press has been really easy on this Administration.

The Iraq War
the lies that led to it
never got much scrutiny.

This whole Pat Tillman debacle

the way they covered it up

and the Administration played it like a harp
to their advantage.

His parents are outraged.

And the press is MIA.

The Bush/ Cheney machine just rolls on grinding up bodies for their political gain.
 
Sounds like a rehash of the "Teflon Presidency" charges.


No one likes the press when their political party is given close scrutiny and/or the political opponent is not.
 
nbcrusader said:
Sounds like a rehash of the "Teflon Presidency" charges.


No one likes the press when their political party is given close scrutiny and/or the political opponent is not.



and no one like sycophantic, excuse-making, agenda-pushing political coverage of the opposing political party.

Fox can do whatever they want.

my objections are to those who cite Fox as somehow a "balance" to this often debunked notion of a "liberal" media, or those who find any credence or credibility in its coverage of events.

i enjoy reading Salon, but i don't use it to get my news unless i'm seeking out left-leaning opinion pieces.
 
nbcrusader said:
Sounds like a rehash of the "Teflon Presidency" charges.


No one likes the press when their political party is given close scrutiny and/or the political opponent is not.

No, but shouldn't both sides be given equal scrutiny?
 
nbcrusader said:
Sounds like a rehash of the "Teflon Presidency" charges.


No one likes the press when their political party is given close scrutiny and/or the political opponent is not.

Reagan had stuff thrown at him and it did not stick.

Not much has been thrown at this Administration by anyone. Hence, the liberal media label is imaginary by delusional conservatives
or a brilliant tactic used by Rove to deflect any and all criticism of Administration policies.
 
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