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Old 05-31-2005, 03:11 PM   #31
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Can some one please list which channels are the liberal ones? I can't seem to find them. TIA~


if it isn't Fox, it's LIBERAL!
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Old 05-31-2005, 03:42 PM   #32
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The press has been really easy on this Administration.

The Iraq War
the lies that led to it
never got much scrutiny.

This whole Pat Tillman debacle

the way they covered it up

and the Administration played it like a harp
to their advantage.

His parents are outraged.

And the press is MIA.

The Bush/ Cheney machine just rolls on grinding up bodies for their political gain.
No one lied and Pat Tillman is not the first victim of a friendly fire incident to first be reported as being killed by hostile fire. Most friendly fire cases in the first Gulf War were first reported as being from hostile fire and then were later found to have been friendly fire.

The Media have been hard on this administration. In addition there has been a strong movement in by other liberal groups like hollywood that have used their platform and influence to attack the administration in a way never seen before.

But in the end, the American people rejected the liberal view point and re-elected George Bush.
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The Media have been hard on this administration.
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It's not the bias that's the problem with Fox. Yes, all media leans one way or the other (to varying degrees) and Fox from day one has openly declared where it leans. Murdoch doesn't make his billions from being stupid. He makes them from seeing a market and exploiting it. He's always openly said that he saw an opening to go up against CNN with an entertaining, tabloid style, conservative/right leaning news channel so he took it. Essentially he saw the market to create the cable news equivalent of the New York Post to go up against the cable equivalent of the New York Times. If the winds were blowing the other way, Murdoch would just have happily created a left leaning channel. The guy just wants your money and he doesn't give a fuck about anything else.

The fact that it leans right doesn't bother me at all. I have no problem with INTELLIGENT right leaning news sources. I would think though that any conservative with half a brain wouldn't be that keen on Fox News either. They treat their viewers as if they have the IQ of a borderline monkey. For example, you STING and A_Wanderer in here, despite the fact that I disagree with both of you on just about everything, I would describe you as very intelligent conservatives, and I can't seriously see you two sitting down in front of Fox News and thinking "Now THIS is an excellent news source!" It's not the bias - which has been a part of journalism since the beginning of man - it's the crime they've committed against the presentation of news. Plenty of people take Fox News as the gospel. That's wrong.
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liberal groups like hollywood that have used their platform and influence to attack the administration in a way never seen before.

what way?

inept?
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Everyone will die, eventually.

They're all biased in some way, just depends on what your leanings are.
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Ok, bringing Hollywood into it is a good thing.
There are plenty of very intelligent conservative writers out there, ones that will actually make you think, and weigh their thoughts up against left leaning writers. There isn't an equivelent counterbalance in the visual medium. Fox News is not even close to being a counterbalance to the BBC. Fox News though is a balance to Michael Moore. Both check in at around the same IQ. Does that make sense?
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at the end of the day, most media outlets are not driven by ideology; they are driven by advertising sales.
Isn't it a great time to be alive? Everybody can have news tailored to their view, opinions, pet theories, .... I'm waiting for the Conspiracy News Network: "This just in--new documents discovered in the bottom of an old shoes box in the basement of the Pentagon prove that Martian Financed Swiss Communists were instrumental in the plot to assasinate JFK..."

Pick your opinion. Pick your leanings. Pick your party. There's a news outlet somewhere which will tell you that you are right, your choices are the only correct ones, and that everybody else is not only wrong, they will assuredly go to hell when they die, which (just to reassure you) should be sometime next Friday afternoon.

And the only major inconvenience it causes is making it a leetle bit harder to figure what the hell is going on.
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Isn't it a great time to be alive? Everybody can have news tailored to their view, opinions, pet theories, .... I'm waiting for the Conspiracy News Network: "This just in--new documents discovered in the bottom of an old shoes box in the basement of the Pentagon prove that Martian Financed Swiss Communists were instrumental in the plot to assasinate JFK..."

Pick your opinion. Pick your leanings. Pick your party. There's a news outlet somewhere which will tell you that you are right, your choices are the only correct ones, and that everybody else is not only wrong, they will assuredly go to hell when they die, which (just to reassure you) should be sometime next Friday afternoon.

And the only major inconvenience it causes is making it a leetle bit harder to figure what the hell is going on.



PS They almost have a Conspiracy News Network in radio's Coast to Coast.
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Fuck em, read the weblogs and you will find a diverse range of opinions and detailed analysis of issues even if it is broadly in line with your own points of view.
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It's not the bias that's the problem with Fox. Yes, all media leans one way or the other (to varying degrees) and Fox from day one has openly declared where it leans. Murdoch doesn't make his billions from being stupid. He makes them from seeing a market and exploiting it. He's always openly said that he saw an opening to go up against CNN with an entertaining, tabloid style, conservative/right leaning news channel so he took it. Essentially he saw the market to create the cable news equivalent of the New York Post to go up against the cable equivalent of the New York Times. If the winds were blowing the other way, Murdoch would just have happily created a left leaning channel. The guy just wants your money and he doesn't give a fuck about anything else.

The fact that it leans right doesn't bother me at all. I have no problem with INTELLIGENT right leaning news sources. I would think though that any conservative with half a brain wouldn't be that keen on Fox News either. They treat their viewers as if they have the IQ of a borderline monkey. For example, you STING and A_Wanderer in here, despite the fact that I disagree with both of you on just about everything, I would describe you as very intelligent conservatives, and I can't seriously see you two sitting down in front of Fox News and thinking "Now THIS is an excellent news source!" It's not the bias - which has been a part of journalism since the beginning of man - it's the crime they've committed against the presentation of news. Plenty of people take Fox News as the gospel. That's wrong.

I agree with this. Great post!
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Oh, hell, aren't all journalists biased? Some are liberal, some are conservative, some are centrist, hell, maybe some are socialist and others might sympathize with the Ku Klux Klan.........my God, that's scary. We all have our biases and sympathies. Are journalists any different? There is no objective truth in politics, there are only opinions.
thank you... the first logical response in this thread.

bill o'reilly is conservative... dan rather was liberal... who gives a shit. take it all in and make up your own damn mind.
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take it all in and make up your own damn mind.
There's something we can all agree on.
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. Essentially he saw the market to create the cable news equivalent of the New York Post to go up against the cable equivalent of the New York Times. If the winds were blowing the other way, Murdoch would just have happily created a left leaning channel. The guy just wants your money and he doesn't give a fuck about anything else.


i think that's about half right. it's always, always about money.

the other half is that Murdoch has been a supporter of far right politicians for a long time, and it's also in his interests to curry favor with the Bush administration in order to loosen even further FCC regulations against media consolidation. why else appoint Roger Ailes, a long time friend of the Bush family, as Chairman and CEO?

essentially, FoxNews functions as a "legitimate" news outlet in order for the Republican party to engage in a highly sophistocated method of attack politics -- by attack politics, i mean the idea is to "define" one's rival in the eyes of the public. this means repeating derogatory information, often with the disclaimer "some say," and then wrap it up in official-looking television news trappings (and a patriotic background, and thumping music), so often that the rival's reputation is ruined. the Swift Boat nonsense is a perfect example, and i think it might just have sunk Kerry.

there might be a market for a Left Wing counter part -- i just don't think that Murdoch would go there.
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fox news rocks!

Um, ok...


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