Fox News *is* biased, so says FN London Bureau Chief

The friendliest place on the web for anyone that follows U2.
If you have answers, please help by responding to the unanswered posts.
See posts with no answers
deep said:



The press has been really easy on this Administration.

The Iraq War
the lies that led to it
never got much scrutiny.

This whole Pat Tillman debacle

the way they covered it up

and the Administration played it like a harp
to their advantage.

His parents are outraged.

And the press is MIA.

The Bush/ Cheney machine just rolls on grinding up bodies for their political gain.
Click to expand...

No one lied and Pat Tillman is not the first victim of a friendly fire incident to first be reported as being killed by hostile fire. Most friendly fire cases in the first Gulf War were first reported as being from hostile fire and then were later found to have been friendly fire.

The Media have been hard on this administration. In addition there has been a strong movement in by other liberal groups like hollywood that have used their platform and influence to attack the administration in a way never seen before.

But in the end, the American people rejected the liberal view point and re-elected George Bush.
 
It's not the bias that's the problem with Fox. Yes, all media leans one way or the other (to varying degrees) and Fox from day one has openly declared where it leans. Murdoch doesn't make his billions from being stupid. He makes them from seeing a market and exploiting it. He's always openly said that he saw an opening to go up against CNN with an entertaining, tabloid style, conservative/right leaning news channel so he took it. Essentially he saw the market to create the cable news equivalent of the New York Post to go up against the cable equivalent of the New York Times. If the winds were blowing the other way, Murdoch would just have happily created a left leaning channel. The guy just wants your money and he doesn't give a fuck about anything else.

The fact that it leans right doesn't bother me at all. I have no problem with INTELLIGENT right leaning news sources. I would think though that any conservative with half a brain wouldn't be that keen on Fox News either. They treat their viewers as if they have the IQ of a borderline monkey. For example, you STING and A_Wanderer in here, despite the fact that I disagree with both of you on just about everything, I would describe you as very intelligent conservatives, and I can't seriously see you two sitting down in front of Fox News and thinking "Now THIS is an excellent news source!" It's not the bias - which has been a part of journalism since the beginning of man - it's the crime they've committed against the presentation of news. Plenty of people take Fox News as the gospel. That's wrong.
 
Ok, bringing Hollywood into it is a good thing.
There are plenty of very intelligent conservative writers out there, ones that will actually make you think, and weigh their thoughts up against left leaning writers. There isn't an equivelent counterbalance in the visual medium. Fox News is not even close to being a counterbalance to the BBC. Fox News though is a balance to Michael Moore. Both check in at around the same IQ. Does that make sense?
 
Irvine511 said:



at the end of the day, most media outlets are not driven by ideology; they are driven by advertising sales.
Click to expand...

Isn't it a great time to be alive? Everybody can have news tailored to their view, opinions, pet theories, .... I'm waiting for the Conspiracy News Network: "This just in--new documents discovered in the bottom of an old shoes box in the basement of the Pentagon prove that Martian Financed Swiss Communists were instrumental in the plot to assasinate JFK..."

Pick your opinion. Pick your leanings. Pick your party. There's a news outlet somewhere which will tell you that you are right, your choices are the only correct ones, and that everybody else is not only wrong, they will assuredly go to hell when they die, which (just to reassure you) should be sometime next Friday afternoon.

And the only major inconvenience it causes is making it a leetle bit harder to figure what the hell is going on.
 
Last edited:
echo0001 said:


Isn't it a great time to be alive? Everybody can have news tailored to their view, opinions, pet theories, .... I'm waiting for the Conspiracy News Network: "This just in--new documents discovered in the bottom of an old shoes box in the basement of the Pentagon prove that Martian Financed Swiss Communists were instrumental in the plot to assasinate JFK..."

Pick your opinion. Pick your leanings. Pick your party. There's a news outlet somewhere which will tell you that you are right, your choices are the only correct ones, and that everybody else is not only wrong, they will assuredly go to hell when they die, which (just to reassure you) should be sometime next Friday afternoon.

And the only major inconvenience it causes is making it a leetle bit harder to figure what the hell is going on.
Click to expand...


:yes: :bow:

PS They almost have a Conspiracy News Network in radio's Coast to Coast.
 
Fuck em, read the weblogs and you will find a diverse range of opinions and detailed analysis of issues even if it is broadly in line with your own points of view.
 
Earnie Shavers said:
It's not the bias that's the problem with Fox. Yes, all media leans one way or the other (to varying degrees) and Fox from day one has openly declared where it leans. Murdoch doesn't make his billions from being stupid. He makes them from seeing a market and exploiting it. He's always openly said that he saw an opening to go up against CNN with an entertaining, tabloid style, conservative/right leaning news channel so he took it. Essentially he saw the market to create the cable news equivalent of the New York Post to go up against the cable equivalent of the New York Times. If the winds were blowing the other way, Murdoch would just have happily created a left leaning channel. The guy just wants your money and he doesn't give a fuck about anything else.

The fact that it leans right doesn't bother me at all. I have no problem with INTELLIGENT right leaning news sources. I would think though that any conservative with half a brain wouldn't be that keen on Fox News either. They treat their viewers as if they have the IQ of a borderline monkey. For example, you STING and A_Wanderer in here, despite the fact that I disagree with both of you on just about everything, I would describe you as very intelligent conservatives, and I can't seriously see you two sitting down in front of Fox News and thinking "Now THIS is an excellent news source!" It's not the bias - which has been a part of journalism since the beginning of man - it's the crime they've committed against the presentation of news. Plenty of people take Fox News as the gospel. That's wrong.
Click to expand...


I agree with this. Great post!
 
verte76 said:
Oh, hell, aren't all journalists biased? Some are liberal, some are conservative, some are centrist, hell, maybe some are socialist and others might sympathize with the Ku Klux Klan.........my God, that's scary. We all have our biases and sympathies. Are journalists any different? There is no objective truth in politics, there are only opinions.
Click to expand...

thank you... the first logical response in this thread.

bill o'reilly is conservative... dan rather was liberal... who gives a shit. take it all in and make up your own damn mind.
 
Earnie Shavers said:
. Essentially he saw the market to create the cable news equivalent of the New York Post to go up against the cable equivalent of the New York Times. If the winds were blowing the other way, Murdoch would just have happily created a left leaning channel. The guy just wants your money and he doesn't give a fuck about anything else.
Click to expand...



i think that's about half right. it's always, always about money.

the other half is that Murdoch has been a supporter of far right politicians for a long time, and it's also in his interests to curry favor with the Bush administration in order to loosen even further FCC regulations against media consolidation. why else appoint Roger Ailes, a long time friend of the Bush family, as Chairman and CEO?

essentially, FoxNews functions as a "legitimate" news outlet in order for the Republican party to engage in a highly sophistocated method of attack politics -- by attack politics, i mean the idea is to "define" one's rival in the eyes of the public. this means repeating derogatory information, often with the disclaimer "some say," and then wrap it up in official-looking television news trappings (and a patriotic background, and thumping music), so often that the rival's reputation is ruined. the Swift Boat nonsense is a perfect example, and i think it might just have sunk Kerry.

there might be a market for a Left Wing counter part -- i just don't think that Murdoch would go there.
 
Well think about what a left wing equivalent would be. It's not CNN and it's certainly not the BBC. It would just be people like Michael Moore screaming "It's all about oil!!!" and other ridiculous things. The key word is: Dumb. You can watch Fox News for all the entertainment and hysteria you can handle, but you won't actually learn a thing. That's not saying that you can't learn anything from the conservative/right wing view point, because you most definitely can (there are plenty of great right wing writers, eg Mark Steyn), it's just saying that that particular outlet isn't that - it's the right wing equivalent of a Michael Moore movie, except it's on 24/7 and even Michael Moore readily admits that there is a very definite goal with his films, while Fox News hides behind "Fair & Balanced" etc.

And yeah, I know that Murdoch is right wing by nature, but I don't believe that a) he would have put Fox News on the market if he didn't think it would boom or b) he wouldn't ignore his own political leanings and put a left wing channel out there if he thought it would line his pockets. Here in Australia he owns, like everywhere, a truckload of newspapers in all capital cities, as well as Australias only national paper (USA Today equivalent). Some lean right, some lean left and it depends on what else is on the market in each city.
 
Everything Earnie said. :up:

.although it still sometimes gets to me, even when I know it shouldn't. like when I was eating dinner at a friends house whose parents are uber-conservatives (in the way of having pictures of the Bushes around their house) and we were watching Fox. And I realized they've dubbed the nuclear option the "constitutional option." :mad:
 
A_Wanderer said:
Fuck em, read the weblogs and you will find a diverse range of opinions and detailed analysis of issues even if it is broadly in line with your own points of view.
Click to expand...

Yeah, love the blogs.

I also try to read the ones in direct opposition to my opinions tho'--know thy enemy and all that rot.
 
Saying Fox News and Michael Moore are essentially the same thing is one of the dumbest things I've heard in a while.

Fox News reports the news with a conservative bias. Oh well, there is plenty of left-leaning media out there.

Michael Moore...ugh.......I was going to write a bunch of stuff here, but if you can't tell the difference between Michael Moore and Fox News then you're beyond help.
 
ImOuttaControl said:
Michael Moore...ugh.......I was going to write a bunch of stuff here, but if you can't tell the difference between Michael Moore and Fox News then you're beyond help.
Click to expand...

Yeah, you're right.

Michael Moore occasionally says worthwhile and interesting things.
 
ImOuttaControl said:
Saying Fox News and Michael Moore are essentially the same thing is one of the dumbest things I've heard in a while.

Fox News reports the news with a conservative bias. Oh well, there is plenty of left-leaning media out there.

Michael Moore...ugh.......I was going to write a bunch of stuff here, but if you can't tell the difference between Michael Moore and Fox News then you're beyond help.
Click to expand...

Well you're right because MM doesn't hide his bias.

They both try, they both have bias, and they both screw up.
 
pax said:


Maybe that stuff flies on other politics forums, but not in FYM.

And yes, I would say the same thing if a lefty posted that Republicans should die.
Click to expand...


not trying to cause shit, but someone did and they were not repremanded, considering my bud spencr00 was banned, whats up with that. lets be fair now(and balanced:wink: )
 
Yeah, Fox report with a conservative bias, just as a lot of other media report with a left leaning bias. I have no problem with that, none at all. I wish all media were straight down the middle, but it's never been that way and it never will.

It's not the bias.

And yes, I think Michael Moore himself is the perfect equivalent of most of the personalities I've seen on Fox News, and his style and purpose are very, very similar to those used on Fox News.
 
ImOuttaControl said:
Fox News reports the news with a conservative bias. Oh well, there is plenty of left-leaning media out there.
Click to expand...



this is precisely the misconception that's out there that the quote that kicked off this thread should put to rest.

yes, the media is filled with bias, though for the life of me i cannot find much left wing bias (i can find lots of ad sales drive bias), however FoxNews has a specific *agenda* that it seeks to drive home with each and every broadcast, piece of reporting, and certainly with each and every single personality driven "talk" (more like "scream") show it has on in prime time.

there is *no* liberal equivalent to FoxNews on TV. none. Fox stands alone in pushing propaganda as news.
 
Exactly. There are of course agendas from individual journalists on both sides, but Fox News are the only ones who do it at an institutionalised level throughout the whole organisation, as strategy, without any thought whatsoever for the truth, let alone 'fair and balanced'. Not only that, but similar to Michael Moore they drag it down to the dumbest of dumb levels and, again similar to Michael Moore they present it wrapped in all the B.S, bravado and sensationalism of your average propaganda film.

I watch Fahrenheit 9/11 and it pisses me off. I am left leaning, I disagree with most of the Bush Admins moves and motives post 9/11. But that bullshit film is the most high profile face of, apparently, my beliefs? That film set the cause of left leaning people with half a brain back a decade. If I was conservative I'd be pissed at Fox News too, for the exact same reasons. No wonder people think you're all war mad, homophobic, narrow minded, religious nutcases who want the Western world to return to 1950 and the rest of the world to be bombed back to 1650.
 
Irvine511 said:




this is precisely the misconception that's out there that the quote that kicked off this thread should put to rest.

yes, the media is filled with bias, though for the life of me i cannot find much left wing bias (i can find lots of ad sales drive bias), however FoxNews has a specific *agenda* that it seeks to drive home with each and every broadcast, piece of reporting, and certainly with each and every single personality driven "talk" (more like "scream") show it has on in prime time.

there is *no* liberal equivalent to FoxNews on TV. none. Fox stands alone in pushing propaganda as news.
Click to expand...

i'd have to agree
 
I find that bias in fox news is not found so much in the news portion, the reporting of events, rather the analysis of those events by panels of talking heads. Either way the internet is a much better place to get information and get informed.
 
Earnie Shavers said:
Yeah, Fox report with a conservative bias, just as a lot of other media report with a left leaning bias. I have no problem with that, none at all. I wish all media were straight down the middle, but it's never been that way and it never will.

It's not the bias.

And yes, I think Michael Moore himself is the perfect equivalent of most of the personalities I've seen on Fox News, and his style and purpose are very, very similar to those used on Fox News.
Click to expand...

I agree. Fox is biased. Only an idiot would claim that MM isn't biased. There's no such a thing as a lack of bias in the media.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

MrsSpringsteen
Fox News, Fake News!
Replies
4
Views
699
dazzledbylight
dazzledbylight
ladyfreckles
Fox News Contributor believes suffrage was a mistake.
2
Replies
41
Views
2K
Jive Turkey
J
Canadiens1131
Paul Krugman op-ed - The Republican Party now works for FOX, no longer vice versa
Replies
7
Views
897
KhanadaRhodes
KhanadaRhodes
Irvine511
let's be honest: it's the Republicans who ruin everything
2
Replies
33
Views
2K
ladyfreckles
ladyfreckles
Joey788
What U2 is Listening to Now
2
Replies
39
Views
4K
collapse
C

Latest posts

Back
Top Bottom