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Old 08-16-2006, 09:45 AM   #46
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Old 08-16-2006, 09:49 AM   #47
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Ok they're absolutely right.

Israel planned the 9/11 attack together with the United States because we were tired of seeing those huge looming towers in Manhattan and we decided to tear it down in order to make room for the new offices of the Israeli embassy.

Because Jews don't like to work hard, and we wanted to save money on explosives, we hired 19 regular men (we purposely chose muslims because we know they're expendable) and asked them to crash the planes into the buildings and bring them down.

Our good friend Osama Bin-Laden was good enough to provide the workers and them getting killed on the job was an added bonus because it saved us money on salaries - isn't that COOL??

The pentagon and pennsylvania planes were brought down just for the hell of it....it was so much fun.....WHEEEEE!!!!

So there you have it, the entire story we've been covering up for five years.

*whispers*

SSSShhh.....you didn't hear it from me....

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You know, I'm reading this thread, shaking my head and I don't know whether to laugh or cry.....

All I can say is: People are absolutely INSANE to believe that 9/11 was something other than the worst act of terrorism in the history of the world. These conspiracy websites are an insult to human intelligence and a defaming of each and every victim.

3,000 men, women and children died in 3 different locations on that day. The crime was committed by 19 mass murderers who are at this moment suffering all the torments of hell, sent by the head murderer Bin Laden who will also be burning in hell very soon.

I believe that the people who support the so-called conspiracy theories are the same type of people who deny the Holocaust ever happened. I guess that they find it so totally hard to believe that such a crime of epic proportions could have actually happened they HAVE to resort to fantasy.

These conspiracy websites are an insult to human intelligence and a blatant defamation of each and every victim.
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"These conspiracy websites are an insult to human intelligence and a blatant defamation of each and every victim"

Why???

Just because people are questioning the governments "Official" version of things - this is what you call an "insult to human intelligence". I agree there are some websites that seem way too out there but there are some that have gathered all the facts and timelines and make a good case that things are NOT what they seem. Personally I don't give a shit either way - I listened to my gut that day and I'll listen to my gut now - something happened that day that was pre-planned and diabolical and we have YET to see the full repercussions.

P.S. I suppose you think JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald and that no one else was involved.

If you answered YES to that then here's a question for you...
If Lee Harvey Oswald indeed acted alone then why would Jack Ruby (who hated the Kennedy's and was connected to the mob) risk everything to KILL a man who had just killed someone he hated??????????????????????????????????????????????????
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Harry -- I agree that we shouldn't just accept what the government shovels us as the truth. That being said, when you question it and look at the facts, how can you say it was an inside job? How can you say the government just ran in and wired the building for explosives or because there wasn't a cookie cutter outline of a plane in the wall of the Pentagon that there was no plane? You can't take the facts and science of the case and then just totally disregard them to suit your agenda.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again.

People (which make up the Government) are just not smooth enough to pull off the kind of masterminded conspiracies that are suggested here. We're far too clumsy and our mouths far too big. Even the terrorists had to try twice and were only 75% successful on the second try.

This kind of stuff is great for movies, but not for real life.
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If you answered YES to that then here's a question for you...
If Lee Harvey Oswald indeed acted alone then why would Jack Ruby (who hated the Kennedy's and was connected to the mob) risk everything to KILL a man who had just killed someone he hated??????????????????????????????????????????????????
umm where did you see that he hated kennedy?

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Rabbi Silverman says, "He was a very volatile, a very emotional, unbalanced person. He thought he was doing the right thing [when he shot Oswald]. He loved Kennedy." "I hope I killed the son of a bitch," Ruby said immediately afterwards to the Dallas police who arrested him. "It will save you guys a lot of trouble." He told Assistant DA Bill Alexander, "Well, you guys couldn't do it. Someone had to do it. That son of a bitch killed my President."
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btw this is pretty funny

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....i?u=911_morons
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"These conspiracy websites are an insult to human intelligence and a blatant defamation of each and every victim"

Why???

Just because people are questioning the governments "Official" version of things - this is what you call an "insult to human intelligence". I agree there are some websites that seem way too out there but there are some that have gathered all the facts and timelines and make a good case that things are NOT what they seem. Personally I don't give a shit either way - I listened to my gut that day and I'll listen to my gut now - something happened that day that was pre-planned and diabolical and we have YET to see the full repercussions.

P.S. I suppose you think JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald and that no one else was involved.

If you answered YES to that then here's a question for you...
If Lee Harvey Oswald indeed acted alone then why would Jack Ruby (who hated the Kennedy's and was connected to the mob) risk everything to KILL a man who had just killed someone he hated??????????????????????????????????????????????????
*dumbfounded*

"The government's official version of things"....what do you mean by that? there is no official or unofficial version - there are only the FACTS, which are that two airplanes crashed into the world trade center at separate times, another plane crashed into the Pentagon and another plane was brought down in Shanksville instead of the White House.

I don't get it? Why would you doubt it? Were you not glued to your TV that day (as most of the people on this board probably were)?

They say "seeing is believing"....I saw it happen live on TV so therefore I believe it - to believe anything else is totally CRAZY!

OF COURSE JFK was shot by only one gunman - I don't need to learn my history from Oliver Stone, thank you very much.

btw - this reply isn't meant as a personal dig at you.
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I think that there are conspiracies, but they are not the biggest events of the times, those get too much scrutiny and require too many people / too much effort.
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I think that there are conspiracies, but they are not the biggest events of the times, those get too much scrutiny and require too many people / too much effort.
I agree.
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I'm not saying I agree with ALL the conspiracy theories of 911.
Not at all.
I'd even go as far as saying that it was Arab terrorists who flew the airplanes. I'm not buying into flying pods hitting the towers and missiles hitting the pentagon (although the pentagon stuff is slightly suspicious). I would go as far as saying that George W. Bush had no idea what was going on. I do believe Cheney and Rumsfeld knew a terrorist attack was coming and couldn't wait because it would give them precisely the excuse they needed to attack Iraq. As far as the demolition of the buildings go I'm just not sure - I'm not an expert but from the evidence I've read I tend to come out on the side of YES - there were explosives inside the bulidings (this is from the FIREMEN WHO WERE INSIDE THE BUILDINGS THAT MORNING!!!). The real question is WHO planted the explosives and why??? What about all the stock options on the airlines??? What about the Bin Laden's??? It's all too "co-incidental" to be coincidence. C'mon. I know there are "nuts" out there with all kinds of theories but you have to admit that there is more than meets the eye here. As far as the snide remark about Oliver Stone pertaining to the assasination of JFK - if it wasn't such a stupid comment I would laugh. Thousands of people have been researching the JFK assasination long before Oliver Stone made a movie. See the film " The Men Who Killed Kennedy" there is visual evidence of two mysterious figures in the grassy knoll as well as about a dozen witnesses who saw the cop "badgeman" and a "railway worker" acting suspiciously in the grassy knoll. All one must do is watch the zapruder film - it clearly shows Kennedy was hit from the front/side and not the back. Oh well, it seems like many of you out there have been conditioned by the Art Bell/X-Files 90's to laugh at the word "Conspiracy". I guess all that hype really did work.
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The stock options story was debunked -- any evidence presented about that is from the early days after the attack. And even a little research in demolition will turn up just how involved an explosives set-up is, not only in terms of man power but also in terms of preparation. There is no way you can set up explosives to take down a building like that without having people notice the work you are doing. It's not like these floors were empty at night. Those buildings were constantly in motion with people night and day.
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I don't buy the conspiracy theories, but I've heard a lot about the main point of this article. I do think that a real investigation should be held if for no other reason to clarify the day and help prevent the same mistakes from being made again.

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle14566.htm

What we know and don’t know about 9/11

Paul Craig Roberts

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I will begin by stating what we know to be a solid incontrovertible scientific fact.

We know that it is strictly impossible for any building, much less steel columned buildings, to “pancake” at free fall speed. Therefore, it is a non-controversial fact that the official explanation of the collapse of the WTC buildings is false.

We also know for a fact that the Air Force somehow inexplicably failed to intercept the alleged hijacked airliners despite the fact that the Air Force can launch jet fighters to 29,000 feet in 2.5 minutes. We also know that the two co-chairmen of the 9/11 Commission have just written a book that reveals that the US military lied to the Commission about its failure to intercept the hijacked airliners.

There are various explanations for this second fact. The military could have lied to cover up complicity or to cover-up its incompetence. However, no investigation has been made to ascertain the true explanation for the failure.

This leaves us with the incontrovertible fact that buildings cannot “pancake” at free fall speeds.

The only explanation known to science for the free fall collapse of a building, especially into its own footprint, is engineered demolition, which removes the supports for each floor of the building at split second intervals so that the debris from above meets no resistance on its fall. To call this explanation a “conspiracy theory” is to display the utmost total ignorance. Any physicist or engineer who maintains that buildings can “pancake” at free fall speed has obviously been bought and paid for or is a total incompetent fool.

The WTC buildings are known to have collapsed at free fall speed into their own footprints.

This fact does not tell us who is responsible or what purpose was served.

Since the damning incontrovertible fact has not been investigated, speculation and “conspiracy theories” have filled the void. Some of the speculation is based on circumstantial evidence and is plausible. Other of the speculation is untenable, and it is used to protect the official explanation by branding all skeptics “conspiracy theorists.” I would not be surprised if some of the most far-out “conspiracy theories” consist, in fact, of disinformation put out by elements in the government to discredit all skeptics. But I do not know this to be the case.
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Interesting article, Scarletwine, but this excerpt from it brings me back to my argument that you can't spin actual scientific fact for your own belief.

"The Popular Mechanics article and the TV documentary are obviously false since they both endorse the official explanation that the WTC buildings “pancaked” at free fall speed, an obvious scientific impossibility. Whether the false reporting by Popular Mechanics and television are due to incompetence or to complicity in a government cover-up, I do not know."

So if I agree with what the government has said [relatively] and I agree with people that agree with the government, then I am wrong? That doesn't make any sense.

And then he mentions this:

"According to reports, the BBC has found 6 of the alleged suicide hijackers alive and well in their home countries. I do not know if the report is true, but I do know that the report has been ignored and there has been no investigation. Both the US government and the US media have turned a blind eye. We have no way of knowing if Atta and his named accomplices hijacked the planes, or, if they did, whether they were dupes of intelligent services that pretended to be a terrorist cell and organized the cover for the engineered demolition."

First of all, some of the hijackers had common Arabic names. Just because a hijacker is named Joe Smith and there is a Joe Smith that lives next door doesn't mean your neighbor is a terrorist who survived a suicide mission. As for investigating those reports, all those stories came in the initial weeks of the attacks and further investigation proved them to be false.

And sorry, but is this guy a building engineer? A demolition expert? Then I'm just going to take his whole theory with a grain of salt.
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This is so, so hilarious. Good Lord these conspiracy theories are so bogus. Like that funny site said, how would the government get all the airline employees, firefighters, arab terrorists and Muslims, police, news anchors, demolitionists etc. etc. to keep this a secret? It's just so ludricrous it's baffling to me how anyone could believe this!
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