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Old 09-01-2005, 07:39 AM   #16
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You know we always could use people and supplies...not just money. Mississippi is an extremely poor state, and Louisiana isn't much better off. We may be rich but our pockets have an end at some point.

Excellent point, Laura.


Also, I am leaning towards the thinking that Bush believes if we weather this ourselves, it'll be a "attaboy" and his approval rating will skyrocket.


But, getting back to the original subject, I think it's great that other countries are offering their help to the victims of this tragedy.
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Could someone please send me some verified info stating Bush turned down Aid? I am tired of someone saying something on this forum and it being taken as gospel.
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The American Red Cross has requested trained disaster response volunteers to be sent from Canada and about 100 are on their way.
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Old 09-01-2005, 03:55 PM   #19
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I think you'll find that a lot of people (including myself) care a great deal about the US' problems but think that it is foolish to send financial help to the richest country in the world.
"I think" it's a blessing that there are countries like Germany and England who have a different view. After our relief efforts during the tsunami disasters, it's equally fair that other nations - given that they have the resources - lend our country a hand in a time of need. That's what friends and neighbors are for.
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Bush has not turned down Canada's offer of aid, he just hasn't asked for it yet. He knows we are offering assistance, our Canadian forces are on standby including the DART unit which has a medical team and water purifying device, (this team was deployed during the tsunami), a search/rescue team is leaving from BC, our govt is also prepared to send any necessary medication to assist. The politicians up here have said the US is still assessing its' needs. Ask the people at the Superdome. Anyway, I donated $50 bucks to the Canadian Red Cross's Hurricane Katrina fund.

But our American friends must understand our POV regarding this situation. The United States is head and shoulders above the world economically and militarily, the US has the best in everything and some of the greatest minds on the planet. Here in Canada, myself and friends & colleagues are amazed at the seemingly lack of organization and utilization of resources within the US. I mean the tsunami occurred without warning, everyone knew Katrina was coming and was headed directly for New Orleans as a Cat 5. Everything should have been on standby even if it cost millions just to have them on standby and have nothing happen. There are 50 states, California is the fifth largest economy in the world on its own, a population of over 300 million consisting of people mainly not directly affected by the disaster. So please understand why we as non-Americans can see it as being strange having to offer financial assistance to the richest country on the planet. My money is not going to your government, it is going to help the volunteers from the Red Cross assist with relief efforts in the Gulf Coast and improving the living conditions of the victims of the hurricane.

I also hope that as a result of the growing criticism towards the federal government, they do not downplay the need for foreign assistance in an attempt to "save face". That would be stupid so I doubt that will happen.
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[Q]Martin offers U.S. anything needed for hurricane aid, military loading a ship

OTTAWA (CP) - Canada will send the United States any help needed in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina, Prime Minister Paul Martin told President George W. Bush on Thursday.

"If you need help, just ask and we'll be there," he told Bush in a 15-minute phone call that was to have been a sharp discussion of the softwood lumber dispute but instead became a call of sympathy and condolence. Martin said Bush didn't ask for help, but predicted he will.

"They're in the process of trying to put all the co-ordination together and they're going to take us up on it," the prime minister said in Edmonton.

"They're trying to determine their needs right now."

White House spokesman Scott McLellan said a number of countries have offered aid.

"We are open to all offers of assistance from other nations, and I would expect that we would take people up on offers of assistance when it's necessary."

The Canadian military put troops on standby and prepared to load a ship with gear and equipment that could be useful in the aftermath of the great storm that wrecked much of the American Gulf Coast and devastated New Orleans.

The Canadian Red Cross was sending a team of 100 to 200 experienced disaster workers to bolster the American Red Cross staff in the region.

Martin, attending provincial centennial celebrations in Edmonton, told a sympathetic crowd of his talk with Bush.

"I expressed our condolences and our sympathies and I confirmed Canada stands with those who have suffered so much in Katrina's wake.

"I said on your behalf that, if you need help, just ask and we'll be there, now and in the weeks and months ahead. That we will do whatever we can for as long as it takes to help our neighbour and our friend deal with this terrible, terrible tragedy."

Gen. Rick Hillier, chief of the Canadian defence staff, said he spoke with his American counterpart, Gen. Dick Myers, to offer assistance.

He said Myers thanked him, but said the Pentagon is still analyzing what is needed.

Hillier said the military's Disaster Assistance Response Team or DART, which can provide medical care, power and clean water, could head south on 48 hours notice.

He said Canada could provide transport planes or helicopters, electrical generators, water purification systems, small boats for navigating the waterways of the region and engineering equipment and expertise.

He said his staff are planning to load a selection of such gear about a warship to be ready in the event Washington asks for help.

It's best to be prepared, he said.

"We want to help. We believe that's what being friends and allies is all about."

In September 1992, after hurricane Andrew struck Florida, a Canadian naval supply ship was sent in with more than 250 people who helped in rebuilding.

Suzanne Charest of the Canadian Red Cross said a team of 100 - perhaps as many as 200 - volunteers is being assembled for relief work.

"We're recruiting only from our existing pool of experienced people," she said.

The workers will help with the logistics of moving and supporting relief workers. They will assist with family services among the homeless and displaced and in feeding people in some of the 270 shelters being run by the American Red Cross.

"They are providing 500,000 hot meals a day in conjunction with the Southern Baptists," Charest said.

The Red Cross is also collecting cash donations for the relief work.

She said the American Red Cross estimated its operations will cost more than $130 million.

"That's without having done a full assessment."

Foreign Affairs says people who wish to send help should contribute to a reputable aid agency, such as the Red Cross.

Canada has also offered to open up its national emergency stockpiles if needed. They contain portable hospital units, complete with beds, blankets and pharmaceuticals.

Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty has spoken to David Wilkins, the American ambassador, to offer help.

The province's health ministry has offered an emergency medical team and various hydro operations have offered teams skilled in restoring power. Hundreds of thousands are without electricity in the region.[/Q]
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Thanks for posting this lmjhitman. I knew Canada was offering an abundance of assistance but couldn't find a good summary.
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no problem.

the analyst on the news was saying that it's rather unusual for the military to be readying a ship before a call for help has been issued, but i think it just shows canada's determination and willingness to contribute to relief efforts should the call come.
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no problem.

the analyst on the news was saying that it's rather unusual for the military to be readying a ship before a call for help has been issued, but i think it just shows canada's determination and willingness to contribute to relief efforts should the call come.

Sometimes we're silly that way or maybe it is a direct result the public backlash during the tsunami over delays in deploying the DART. In any case, good for us and hopefully good for the people of the Gulf Coast.
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Thank you for all the help the other countries are offering. Apparently we are going to need some.
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We're giving you 10 mil, which I hope helps a little.
I'd like to say, this must be a thank you for the help the US has given us over the drought, but doing this whole disaster comparison garbage is utter bullshit. Where the hell do you stop with it? It doesn't help to compare.

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i'm going to take issue with the last two statements... lack of preparations and bad management.

every person in every area effected by this storm was warned by the local and federal governments, through the media, that this storm had the potential to cause a disaster like we've never seen before. the majority of the people in the area heeded that warning and left town. what else would you have had them do besides put out warnings days in advance?

as for the response it's self...

first off, in the hours imediately following the hurricaine, new orleans was celebrating what they thought was a near miss. the city wasn't flooded... damage was limited to downed trees and power lines, a few toppled bricks and roof damage. the floods didn't start to become a serious problem until the next morning... after the hurricaine had already passed and the levees busted open.

the only way they could have stopped this disaster from happening is to hop in our deloreans, hit 88 miles per hour and go back 250 years in time and tell the people who first settled the city of new orleans that it probably isn't a good idea to build a city below sea level.

this was a disaster that was bound to happen eventually. everyone in new orleans new it was always a possability. it's like people in southern california... if they live there, they know there's a risk that "the big one" could come one day. well, people in new orleans knew that they lived in a city that was built below sea level, and they were surrounded on all sides by water. they had feared this event many times before, and every time they dodged the bullet. this time they weren't so lucky.
Exactly!,,,, Now all we can do is help of course! And part of that help is to stop the cynicism/government bashing that is being driven by our own privileged American perspective that expects things to be done for us "Now!". sigh.
The politics of this is being perpetuated by the exploitive mainstream media.
We need to be realistic. This is a natural disaster that has occured.
Wonderful people are down there helping, trying.
We are all in this world together.
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As a participant in the catastrophe I am a little chagrined that Bush actually turned down offers of help, but by the same token I can see why Europeans would think sending aid to the U.S. would be ridiculous.
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Just saw Laura Bush on CNN. She said Foreign Aid to the US was:

"really very sweet."
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Is there something in the water in the White House?
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