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Old 04-19-2005, 09:40 PM   #31
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I read the book, looked up this guy's website, his organization, and form I have seen, the "opposition" to the takeover by the Religious Right is in its infancy. They are just barely starting to get organized on a national level. It's like a slumbering giant awakening. Or I hope it will be giant. There's a HUGE wellspring of people who not happy with the tone of things, and want change; only they are trying to figure out how to do it. They can't compete with the superbly organized and overfunded people like Falwell and Pat Robertson. Their message is tolerance, and we should try to build bridges instead of tearing them down. And they come from all sides of the spectrum. There's even an organization called the Common Law Network that is made of both pro and anti abortion women, who have not only opened a constructive dialogue on abortion but are are working together on many issues.
That's very good news . That is how you get things done. Bono gets that-he knows he's gotta work with people he may not agree with politically in order to really get things done. It's good to see some other people do the same thing.

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I agree, Ang. Sometimes you have to get a little dirt on your clothes in order to build the house.
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That's quite false and laughable







Keith Olberman, Chris Matthews, Ted Koppel, Dan Rather. I'm sure you think Bernard Goldberg is a big liar.


1. and because you say it, it must be true.

2. yes, Bernard Goldberg has a bone to pick with the people at CBS who fired his sorry ass. i've read the book, and it's all pretty specious. you might think you have a point with Christ Matthews, for example, he being Tip O'Neill's right hand man, but Matthews is socially pretty conservative coming from a Catholic background. as for the others ... other than right wing whipping boy Dan Rather, the rest you cannot possibly make a case for beyond paranoid coservative hearsay.

and, further, you're making the assumption that because of how someone votes, they are incapable of doing their job. just because you are a vegetarian, am i to assume that you cannot grill a hamburger?

the point here, drhark, is that Fox makes no effort to be either fair or balanced, and the other networks all try to be objective, whether or not they succeed is debatable. the result is that everything has swung to the right.
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1. and because you say it, it must be true.
Kind of like your far out claim that the other networks "all try to be objective". How would you know?
I admit that Fox is conservative. Of course it is. Are you suggesting all the other networks are perfectly in the middle?
Fox's claim to be fair and balanced is based not on their newscasters opinions but their presentation of both sides of the argument, which was sorely lacking the past few decades on network news.

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2. yes, Bernard Goldberg has a bone to pick with the people at CBS who fired his sorry ass. i've read the book, and it's all pretty specious. you might think you have a point with Christ Matthews, for example, he being Tip O'Neill's right hand man, but Matthews is socially pretty conservative coming from a Catholic background.
Matthews is as liberal as the day is long. I watched Hardball several times a week during the election cycle. Hardball my ass. Nobody played Hardball with Kerry.
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as for the others ... other than right wing whipping boy Dan Rather, the rest you cannot possibly make a case for beyond paranoid coservative hearsay.
It's not paranoid. Ted Koppel goes to Vietnam to interview vietnamese under duress to disprove the Swift boat vets and reports that as news?
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and, further, you're making the assumption that because of how someone votes, they are incapable of doing their job. just because you are a vegetarian, am i to assume that you cannot grill a hamburger?
It's not that they're incapable, they just don't have the desire.
Try Greta van Susteren. I don't watch her very often because she deals mostly with court cases and amber alerts, but during the election cycle, I didn't have a clue what her political leanings were. I hear she's liberal but I wouldn't know from her reporting

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the point here, drhark, is that Fox makes no effort to be either fair or balanced, and the other networks all try to be objective, whether or not they succeed is debatable. the result is that everything has swung to the right.
I wholeheartedly disagree with your opinion. Everything has swung to the right? not sure what you mean, but how would you explain the success of Fox news?
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Kind of like your far out claim that the other networks "all try to be objective". How would you know?
I admit that Fox is conservative. Of course it is. Are you suggesting all the other networks are perfectly in the middle?
Fox's claim to be fair and balanced is based not on their newscasters opinions but their presentation of both sides of the argument, which was sorely lacking the past few decades on network news.


Matthews is as liberal as the day is long. I watched Hardball several times a week during the election cycle. Hardball my ass. Nobody played Hardball with Kerry.

It's not paranoid. Ted Koppel goes to Vietnam to interview vietnamese under duress to disprove the Swift boat vets and reports that as news?

It's not that they're incapable, they just don't have the desire.
Try Greta van Susteren. I don't watch her very often because she deals mostly with court cases and amber alerts, but during the election cycle, I didn't have a clue what her political leanings were. I hear she's liberal but I wouldn't know from her reporting



I wholeheartedly disagree with your opinion. Everything has swung to the right? not sure what you mean, but how would you explain the success of Fox news?

because i live and work in washington and know many, many people in the news industry. i know the paranoia that the Right has caused with the "liberal" charge -- and i also know that Bill Kristol, son of Irving Kristol and editor of the conservative mag The Weekly Standard, has said, on record, that they pretty much made up the charge 9in the early 1990s as a way of "working the refs" in political debate. it's a political strategy, pure and simple, and by repeating the charge that the news is liberal, you give people an out when they hear news that isn't what they want to hear or that contradicts whatever entrenched worldview they might already hold. i can also guarantee you that the same handwringing doesn't go on at Fox News. they have a specific agenda complete with talking points and "emphasis" on specific aspects of stories.

i don't agree with your opinions on the various journalists you've mentioned, but you've made up your mind so i don't suppose there's any point in arguing any further. i'd imagine that you're exactly the type of viewer that Kristol was talking about and views as easy to manipulate.

you'd also be surprised -- newscasters make a lot of money, and tend to be white. rich white people vote Republican, usually.

Fox is successful for the same reason that talk radio is successful -- they give white people an enemy, someone to hate. Fox is also loud, brash, entertaining, and really much more of a drama network than a news network. drama pulls in higher ratings than do facts. the success -- measured, sadly, in ratings -- of a news network does not correlate to it's jouranlistic integrity. any serious person in washington gets their news primarily from one source that is as dispassionate, unsensationalized, and as serious as there is in American journalism: Jim Lehrer on PBS.

or the BBC.
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To be fair... I think Matthews tries to appear "fair & balanced" but he lets his liberal viewpoint come up. However, he is softball on the "stars" of the time. He may have gone SOFTBALL on Kerry but he would have gone SOFTBALL on GW as well on the last election cycle. If you're on the rise or political star, he tend to go easy on you to a degree. If you're congressman from bumfuck boonie town or a person that is known for being confrontational, he will go HARBALL on you. I actually enjoy watching Chris Matthews' show.

OUTSIDE of the opinion shows, I don't think FOX NEWS is any less biased than other programs.

Aaron Brown, Lou Dobbs, and Judy Woodruff have made value judgements on their newscasts or shows etc. If they can do it, I don't see why Fox News can't.
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Keith Olberman, Chris Matthews, Ted Koppel, Dan Rather. I'm sure you think Bernard Goldberg is a big liar.
keith olberman is a sportscaster
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As for labeling the entire media as liberal... my viewpoint has changed. I used to believe it ot be so outside of a few rags like the Weekly Standard or WorldNewsDaily.net.... But i think its a little unfair to label every form of print media, TV, radio, etc... as being liberal. That would be ridiculous and un-true. HOWEVER, if you're referring to the "media" as being just major publications and TV news organizations such as CNN, the Big Three networks, LA Times, New York Times, Newsweek, etc... then IMO you can make a case for the "media" leaning liberal.

I don't think its a myth. But I don't believe the media is liberal in the way Hannity or Rush portrays it but then I could be proven wrong.
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keith olberman is a sportscaster
Well past his prime....

Olberman is doing some mish mash of hard news and satire now... I don' think he considers himself as a sportscaster anymore.
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Located at the opposite side of the globe, I don't get to see Fox at all, but once it was showing on a friend's cable and I was in-cre-du-lous. I'd never seen 'news' presented in such a, shall I say, sensationalist fashion, becoming entertainment more than reportage. Plus there was this newscaster who injected his reports with his own conservative and hokey views. It was strange. I shuddered to think if Fox is actual staple in America.

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because i live and work in washington and know many, many people in the news industry. i know the paranoia that the Right has caused with the "liberal" charge -- and i also know that Bill Kristol, son of Irving Kristol and editor of the conservative mag The Weekly Standard, has said, on record, that they pretty much made up the charge 9in the early 1990s as a way of "working the refs" in political debate. it's a political strategy, pure and simple, and by repeating the charge that the news is liberal, you give people an out when they hear news that isn't what they want to hear or that contradicts whatever entrenched worldview they might already hold. i can also guarantee you that the same handwringing doesn't go on at Fox News. they have a specific agenda complete with talking points and "emphasis" on specific aspects of stories.
It's not just that people are repeating the charge. Groups such as Media Reasearch collect evidence on a daily basis. It doesn't come out of thin air. Say what you want about them, they get their info from the horse's mouth to make their case. The charge wasn't "made up" in the 90s, it was brought up in the 80s or earlier in an attempt to provide for a "fair fight."
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i don't agree with your opinions on the various journalists you've mentioned, but you've made up your mind so i don't suppose there's any point in arguing any further. i'd imagine that you're exactly the type of viewer that Kristol was talking about and views as easy to manipulate.
Thanks for the compliment. Kristol personally manipulates me on a nightly basis on Fox News. His brand of manipulation is much more subtle than the way Bill Clinton me a few years back.

You know you're in a good position when your opponents underestimate you.

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you'd also be surprised -- newscasters make a lot of money, and tend to be white. rich white people vote Republican, usually.
with the exception of rich white newscasters. Get real. Maybe I've been underestimating you with statements like that.

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Fox is successful for the same reason that talk radio is successful -- they give white people an enemy, someone to hate. Fox is also loud, brash, entertaining, and really much more of a drama network than a news network. drama pulls in higher ratings than do facts. the success -- measured, sadly, in ratings -- of a news network does not correlate to it's jouranlistic integrity.
Fox and Talk radio certainly identify political opponents and clarifies that their are two sides to every story. We did not have this before talk radio and Fox. It was basically one source. People with opposing views giving me all my news.
A few people will choose to hate their enemy while most would prefer to debate. (There goes the hate card again! But there's not hate out there for Bush and conservatives, especially not on this board)
As for your playing the race card, "they give white people an enemy, someone to hate", no, they give conservatives an enemy. We're not all white. And we're becoming less white.

Drama does pull in higher ratings, but not necessarily at the expense of facts, as you implied. This is precisely the reason why the media abandoned their golden boy when they had the opportunity to sensationalize a blow job.

I'm afraid the success of CBS does indeed correlate to it's journalistic integrity.


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any serious person in washington gets their news primarily from one source that is as dispassionate, unsensationalized, and as serious as there is in American journalism: Jim Lehrer on PBS.

or the BBC.
Dispassionate, unsensationalized, serious, and liberal.

I'm glad most of us aren't "serious people in Washington". we'd all be in trouble.

BBC? Get out of town!



CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, PBS, MSNBC, BBC are, to varying degrees, the liberal media

FOX and most of talk radio, to varying degrees, is the conservative media

It's better for everyone that we know who we're getting our news from.
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Well past his prime....

Olberman is doing some mish mash of hard news and satire now... I don' think he considers himself as a sportscaster anymore.
i know what he does now... he's still a sportscaster. it's what he does best, he should go back to it.
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keith olberman is a sportscaster
He does opinion news and he's as liberal as Hannity is Conservative.

Oh, and I forgot that serious journalist, Ron Reagan Jr
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Guys, let's try to keep this non-personal, all right?

I say guys 'cause it looks like the parties arguing are, in fact, guys.
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BBC? Get out of town!
Hey! Don't knock the BBC. (I admit that it is left-leaning.)
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