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Old 09-01-2006, 04:04 AM   #121
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I think you're probably not the only person who would be shocked at agreeing with me on this one.

And if you knew what I think about the judicial system, you might be even more shocked.
I'm actually not shocked as I know many people of wildly varying social and political views who are opposed to capital punishment. I just thought it was kind of amusing since we so often disagree vehemently.
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Old 09-01-2006, 04:04 AM   #122
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I find it disturbing when I dont see crowds going to grieve with the family but grieve for a murderer.
Wow, you really don't get it.

No one is grieving for their lives, they are grieving for a vengeful nation. They are grieving for the fact that we've become the monster.

Something you have still yet to acknowledge in all my questions...
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Old 09-01-2006, 08:20 AM   #123
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Re: Re: Re: For all the opponents of the death penalty....read this

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Why should they get the luxury of life when they killed this child in one of the worst ways possible?
You just said that death was "too good" for them. So, basically, you're saying that nothing will satisfy your palette for vengeance.

Life without parole is, for many prisoners, a fate worse than death.

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Old 09-01-2006, 09:12 AM   #124
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Wow, you really don't get it.

No one is grieving for their lives, they are grieving for a vengeful nation. They are grieving for the fact that we've become the monster.

Something you have still yet to acknowledge in all my questions...
We don't become the monster, we take care of the monster that's strapped to a table with needles in his arm. He's lucky it's not the Gas Chamber and that we have made it a little less painfull for them.
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We don't become the monster, we take care of the monster that's strapped to a table with needles in his arm. He's lucky it's not the Gas Chamber and that we have made it a little less painfull for them.
Again, there's increasing evidence that lethal injection is incredibly painful. It's just that completely paralyzed people can't express it.

You'd be better off pumping carbon monoxide into a room.

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Again, there's increasing evidence that lethal injection is incredibly painful. It's just that completely paralyzed people can't express it.

You'd be better off pumping carbon monoxide into a room.

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Why shouldn't he suffer? Like he made a family or families suffer? He/she made his/her victims suffer.
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Why shouldn't he suffer? Like he made a family or families suffer? He/she made his/her victims suffer.
See Justin, it's posts like this that make people crazy when they try to discuss something with you. You ramble on about playing God, you make illogical assumptions about how people feel and believe so you can make a point, and then you use the same wording that you just used to criticize the other person's viewpoint to support your position.

You always want it both ways. I sometimes think you don't exactly know what you think before you start arguing, or you haven't thought it through completely. And then you're unwilling to back down, so you just keep posting, ignoring what people have said so you can continue to have it both ways.
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See Justin, it's posts like this that make people crazy when they try to discuss something with you. You ramble on about playing God, you make illogical assumptions about how people feel and believe so you can make a point, and then you use the same wording that you just used to criticize the other person's viewpoint to support your position.

You always want it both ways. I sometimes think you don't exactly know what you think before you start arguing, or you haven't thought it through completely. And then you're unwilling to back down, so you just keep posting, ignoring what people have said so you can continue to have it both ways.
I know what I am talking about when I speak. I know I wont change peoples minds here. You wont change mine, so let's leave it at that.
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I want to know how many supporters of the death penalty would be willing to be the person who pulls the plug. The one who pushes the button for the IV flow.

My simplest reason for opposing the death penalty is that I could never, ever be that person. And if I can't bring myself to be that person, then I shouldn't expect other people to do my dirty work for me.


this is an excellent point, and the main reason i remain reluctantly opposed to euthanasia -- i don't think it's necessarily unethical to end your life if you are dying of a horrible, painful disease, but i do think it's unethical to implicate someone else in that decision.

i see no reason why the death penalty is any different.
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morally and ethically, i think they're worlds apart.
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morally and ethically, i think they're worlds apart.


but it does boil down to having someone else take your life.
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Somebody also takes your life when they remove your respirator, and when they follow other specific DNR orders.
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Somebody also takes your life when they remove your respirator, and when they follow other specific DNR orders.
So I am guessing your against assisted suicide.
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Somebody also takes your life when they remove your respirator, and when they follow other specific DNR orders.


no, they are simply stepping out of the way and letting nature take it's course.

i have been through this issue extensively with my father, a physician, and he draws a big line between removing a feeding tube and actually injecting someone with a tranquilizer strong enough to stop someone's heart.
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