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Old 08-31-2006, 08:34 PM   #76
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Name one.
http://www.law.northwestern.edu/dept...heinnocent.htm
James Adams (Florida)
Odell Barnes, Jr. (Texas)
James Beathard (Texas)
Brian K. Baldwin (Alabama)
Charles Anthony Boyd (Texas)
David Castillo (Texas)
Clyde Coleman (Texas)
Roger Keith Coleman (Virginia)
Willie Jasper Darden, Jr. (Florida)
Girvies Davis (Illinois)
Robert Nelson Drew (Texas)
James Otto Earhart (Texas)
Tony Farris (Texas)
Gary Graham (aka Shaka Sankofa) (Texas)
Lionel Torres Herrera (Texas)
Jerry Lee Hogue (Texas)
Jesse Jacobs (Texas)
Carl Johnson (Texas)
Malcolm Rent Johnson (Oklahoma)
Leo Jones (Florida)
Richard Wayne Jones (Texas)
Amos King (Florida)
Davis Losada (Texas)
Robert Madden (Texas)
Justin Lee May (Texas)
Frank Basil McFarland (Texas)
Larry Eugene Moon (Georgia)
Joseph O’Dell (Virginia)
Charles Rector (Texas)
Kenneth Ray Ransom (Texas)
Roy Michael Roberts (Missouri)
Cornelius Singleton (Alabama)
David Spence (Texas)
David Stoker (Texas)
Jesse J. Tafero (Florida)
Thomas M. Thompson (California)
Martin Vega (Texas)
Freddie Lee Wright (Alabama)

statistics on executions:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions.php

Botched executions:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/arti...scid=8&did=478



http://www.aclunc.org/deathpenalty/index.html

http://www.aclunc.org/deathpenalty/0...n_evidence.pdf

http://www.stopwrongfulconvictions.org/
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Do you believe that innocent people are not executed? How do you think that 100% perfection of capital punishment system is possible?

If you do think that it's even posisble to execute an innocent person, why would you support the death penalty?
Hey 80's, this must be a sign of the impending apocalypse -- we agree.
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Another list of inmates and their IQs:

Name State Race I.Q. Execution Date

1. Arthur F. Goode, III FL W 60-63 04/05/84

2. Ivon Ray Stanley GA B 62 07/12/84

3. James Dupree Henry FL B low 70s 09/20/84

4. Morris Odell Mason VA B 62-66 06/25/85

5. James Terry Roach SC W 69-70 01/10/86

6. Jerome Bowden GA B 59-65 06/24/86

7. Willie Celestine LA W (68-81) 77 07/20/87

8. John Brogdon LA W mild MR 07/30/87

9. Horace Dunkins AL B 65-69 07/14/89

10. Alton Waye VA B probable MR 08/30/89

11. Johnny Ray Anderson TX W 70 05/17/90

12. Dalton Prejean LA B 71-76 05/18/90

13. Ricky Ray Rector AR B MR from lobotomy 01/24/92

14. Johnny Frank Garrett TX W dual MR/MI 02/11/92

15. Billy Wayne White TX B 66-69 04/23/92

16. Nollie Lee Martin FL W dual MR/MI 05/12/92

17. Ricky Lee Grubbs MO W 72 10/21/92

18. Cornelius Singleton AL B 55-67 11/20/92

19. Robert Wayne Sawyer LA W 65-68 03/05/93

20. William Henry Hance GA B mild MR 03/31/94

21. Mario Marquez TX L 65 01/17/95

22. Willie Clisby AL B mild MR 04/28/95

23. Varnell Weeks AL B mild MR 05/12/95

24. Girvies Davis IL B low borderline MR 05/17/95

25. Sylvester Adams SC B 65-69 08/18/95

26. Barry Lee Fairchild AR B 60-63(note 08/31/95

27. Walter Milton Correll VA W 68 01/4/96

28. Luis Mata AZ L 68-70 08/22/96

29. John Earl Bush FL B low borderline MR 10/21/96

30. Frank Middleton SC B 68-69 11/22/96

31. Terry Washington TX B 58-69 05/06/97

32. Tony Mackall VA B 64 02/20/98

33. Reginald Powell MO B 65 02/25/98

34. Robert Carter TX B mild MR 05/18/98

35. Dwayne Allen Wright VA B MR/MI 10/14/98

36. Ronald Yeats VA W 70 04/29/99

37. Norman Lee Newsted OK W MR/MI 07/08/99

38. Raymond James Jones TX B MR 09/01/99

39. David R. Leisure MO W 74 09/01/99

40. Charles Anthony Boyd TX B 64 08/5/99

41. Willie Sullivan DE B 58-70 09/24/99

42. Oliver Cruz TX L 64-76 08/09/00

43. Wanda Jean Allen OK B 69 01/11/00

44. Robert Clayton OK W 68 03/01/01
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However, what if the individual admits to the crime and expresses no remorse?

You mean like Benet's "killer"?

We all know admissions aren't even absolute.
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Jesse Tafero, from Florida.
Well, it made for an Oscar winning movie I guess, but in the eyes of the state of Florida he's not been exonerated. Which is my standard. While he might not be "sentenced to death" in today's world of DNA and other forensic evidence, that alone doesn't make him innocent.
I respect your decision to be against the death penalty. It's your reasoning I dispute. There's been over 1000 executions in the U.S. since 1977. You'd think there'd be an example a bit more convincing than Jesse Tafero.

Harlem, unfortunately your list contains the name Gary Graham so it's worthless. He may have been the cause célèbrefor Amnesty International and Hollywood liberals a few years ago but innocent...hell no.

"I've killed six people already; if you want to be number seven, do something stupid."
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The low down is if a family member is murdered, you want to see that murderer dead.
Once again you speaking for yourself, and not everyone. I know plenty of people who've stood up for life inprisonment of their family member's killer.
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Name one.
Many we will never know, for the cases are automatically closed and family's can't afford to keep an ongoing private investigation. Even if they could most evidence is deemed inadmissable. So the logic of your retort is flawed.
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I oppose the death penalty for a few reasons:

- It doesn't work as a deterrent
- The system is flawed
- An eye for an eye makes both sides blind (paraphrasing a quote here)

Also, in my opinion it's revenge, not justice. Revenge eats away at everyone.
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but in the eyes of the state of Florida he's not been exonerated. Which is my standard. [/url]
Wow, I don't know what to say, that has to be one of the weakest arguments I've ever seen in here. Because a system doesn't want to admit it's flawed you are going to go along and still call an innocent man guilty? Wow...
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Many we will never know, for the cases are automatically closed and family's can't afford to keep an ongoing private investigation. Even if they could most evidence is deemed inadmissable. So the logic of your retort is flawed.
The ACLU, Amnesty International, Democracy Now and other anti-death penalty organizations and individuals have gone through the details of every execution since 1977 looking for the 'slumdunk, no doubt about it' innocent victim of the death penalty to bolster their cause. Maybe they'll find it, maybe not. But there is one undeniable if slightly clichéd truth.

The recidivism rate of executed criminals is ZERO.
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Hey 80's, this must be a sign of the impending apocalypse -- we agree.
I think you're probably not the only person who would be shocked at agreeing with me on this one.

And if you knew what I think about the judicial system, you might be even more shocked.
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The recidivism rate of executed criminals is ZERO.
That's got to be the weakest argument I've ever heard.

The recidivism rate of life without parole criminals is also zero.

And to Justin, you're presuming an AWFUL lot about how God works and what he wants us to do. Your anger at the crime is understandable, but your hell-bent desire for revenge is a little much.
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That's got to be the weakest argument I've ever heard.

The recidivism rate of life without parole criminals is also zero.

And to Justin, you're presuming an AWFUL lot about how God works and what he wants us to do. Your anger at the crime is understandable, but your hell-bent desire for revenge is a little much.
Is it wrong of me to question him??? I think he enjoys a challenge, not dethrone him, but on issues such as this. How am I hell bent on revenge?
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Justin, the want for revenge is perfectly understandable and perfectly human. I am most definitely anti-death penalty, but I know that if a loved one of mine was murdered, and the person that did it was standing in front of me, it would take a whole football team to physically restrain me. I say that, and at the same time completely and totally believe that the death penalty is archaic and wrong. You do know that the US is the only developed western nation that still has a death penalty right? Check out this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_...alty_worldwide
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I know the US is the only developed Western country that still practices it. Because the Majority of the people want it and find it a suitable form of punishment. I can't say the same about the people in Europe or other countries.
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