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Old 08-31-2006, 12:04 PM   #16
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I'm sorry I don't understand. If you agree that the crime was severe, then why would you oppose the death penalty in this case?


because it doesn't matter if you were drunk and drove into a pedestrian, or if you skinned a 5 year old alive and ate their brains.

people who are opposed to the death penalty don't believe that maybe someday, if something really, truly, awful happens, okay, THEN we'll support it. if we get outraged enough. it's not that we don't think that some crimes are or aren't heinous. we share your outrage at this particular case.

it's that death is never a civilized punishment for ANY crime, for a variety of reasons.
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Old 08-31-2006, 12:08 PM   #17
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I'm sorry I don't understand. If you agree that the crime was severe, then why would you oppose the death penalty in this case?
My point is that the most of the problems people have with the death penalty (irreversibility, the belief that killing someone is wrong, etc.) don't change with the severity of the crime.
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I'm sorry I don't understand. If you agree that the crime was severe, then why would you oppose the death penalty in this case?
Because torturing and killing someone to show that torturing and killing is wrong doesn't work for me spiritually.
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Because torturing and killing someone to show that torturing and killing is wrong doesn't work for me spiritually.
I respectfully disagree with you Martha. Today people are put to sleep by lethal injection - much like they would do with their beloved pet.

I hardly call drifting off to sleep torturing and killing.
On the other hand.....tying a 3 year old disable child with duct tape and leaving him alone to die a slow horrible death......now THAT's torture.....
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Today people are put to sleep by lethal injection - much like they would do with their beloved pet.
Except they're people.
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On the other hand.....tying a 3 year old disable child with duct tape and leaving him alone to die a slow horrible death......now THAT's torture.....


i am every bit as repulsed by this crime as you are.

please don't mistake opposition to the death penalty as showing sympathy for the perpetrators.
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I hardly call drifting off to sleep torturing and killing.
But it's still killing...
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I hardly call drifting off to sleep torturing and killing.
Read up on the process. It doesn't always work as smoothly as you'd like it to.
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Except they're people.
So what if there people. If a dog attacked a person there put to sleep, yet it's a living thing.

If people are opposed to the death penalty, then they should pay a higher tax to keep them alive in prison for life if thats how you want it.

Do you think Jesus would forgive Ed Gein for skinning people and using them as lamp shade or Hitler for killing 6 million people or heck Stalin for killing over 40 million of his own people??
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So what if there people. If a dog attacked a person there put to sleep, yet it's a living thing.

If people are opposed to the death penalty, then they should pay a higher tax to keep them alive in prison for life if thats how you want it.
Should you be taxed higher because you eat meat?
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Do you think Jesus would forgive Ed Gein for skinning people and using them as lamp shade or Hitler for killing 6 million people or heck Stalin for killing over 40 million of his own people??
As hard as it may be to comprehend, yes. If there was true repentence...
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Should you be taxed higher because you eat meat?


As hard as it may be to comprehend, yes. If there was true repentence...
Eating Meat and Murdering a person are two different things.

If Jesus came to earth he would have said "And I died for you?"

God gave us the power to judge his creation on earth so executing a person for murdering an innocent person is ok.

If someone broke in your house and was threatening your life, would you comply with there orders or Kill him/her in self defense?
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Eating Meat and Murdering a person are two different things.
You were the one that made the comparison that a dog attacking and a murderer were the same, not me. You made them equal.

I could easily argue that people who eat beef raise my health insurance with their clogged arterties. So you may want to be careful of that slippery slope.

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God gave us the power to judge his creation on earth so executing a person for murdering an innocent person is ok.
Actually no he didn't. Judge not lest ye be judged. We have the power to create laws, but not judge.

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If someone broke in your house and was threatening your life, would you comply with there orders or Kill him/her in self defense?
How is the death penalty self defense?
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I could easily argue that people who eat beef raise my health insurance with their clogged arterties. So you may want to be careful of that slippery slope.

How is the death penalty self defense?
I could also go into how illegal immigration raises insurance premiums etc... But thats for another time.


The murderer gets his do.

How can you sit there and say I am glad that person who murdered my sister or mother is not dead but wont hurt me again. I am sure though he will have plenty of opportunities to kill fellow inmates. Unless he miraculously Finds God.
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Re: For all the opponents of the death penalty....read this

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I just read this story

these animals deserve to be drawn and quartered, hung by their thumbs and slowly boiled in oil.......



anybody that entertains these kinds of thoughts sounds dangerous
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I could also go into how illegal immigration raises insurance premiums etc... But thats for another time.
Sure, but my point is you made the raising tax argument first. I was just countering your argument by showing you how this argument doesn't work. For every policy you disagree with because it may or may not cost you more I could do the same two times over with your policies and lifestyle.

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The murderer gets his do.

How can you sit there and say I am glad that person who murdered my sister or mother is not dead but wont hurt me again. I am sure though he will have plenty of opportunities to kill fellow inmates. Unless he miraculously Finds God.
"get his do" isn't self defense.

And once again you and AchtunyBono are confusing not supporting the death penalty with sympathising or being "glad". That's not the case.

See my original reasons for not supporting the death penalty and see if any fall in the "I'm glad" category...
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