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Old 02-02-2004, 08:33 PM   #31
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Yes, you are misintepreting my post.

Why can't I cry out "just let the starving eat" and not have a result in 10 seconds?

So my comparison was only to point out the absurdity of attributing the "miracle" of a fixed computer to god, when so many larger problems exist and are waiting for a miracle. What kind of view of the world is this?
Yes, OK, I see what you're saying and I think we are saying the same thing. That last statement quoted, I agree with entirely. My point is that I would never consider a printer being fixed a miracle anyway, like you said.

The only place where we disagree is that I DO think God has control over everything. Why he doesn't solve the huge problems, I don't have a good answer to. That's something everyone struggles with.
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Old 03-15-2004, 09:00 PM   #32
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I don't think God controls everything (or, at least he pretends not to). During difficult times in my life, it was always famliy or friends that helped me. I suppose you could argue that God is acting through them, but i don't see why. I personally think that it was those people by themselves that helped me.

Likewise, with larger problems of poverty, God isn't going to solve all our problems. We have to do the work ourselves.
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i will digress - can someone tell me why invariably terrorists in all countries say " God is great " when he is pronounced as killer of lots of innocent civilians by the judge.
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i will digress - can someone tell me why invariably terrorists in all countries say " God is great " when he is pronounced as killer of lots of innocent civilians by the judge.
In the OT, there were a lot of religious battles where God people slaughtered other people and God would strike them down if they spared a single cow or slave child. Some people are still stuck with this idea that God wants them to kill certain people, sparing no one. They've missed out on the whole Jesus-fulfils-the-prophecy-no-more-killing part and also fail to realize that some of those OT religious battles never even happen, they're just myths and metaphors used to show the supremacy of God.
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Even listening to Streets from the Boston DVD, I wasn't there, but I feel it more than when I pray.
I was there, and at that moment it was an intense spiritual moment for me! Unexplainable. And it still is- nice to see for other people, as well.

Interesting discussion.
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Old 03-16-2004, 01:18 PM   #38
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Just out of curiosity and total ingorance, why would God be all vengeful and violent and then suddenly the opposite in the NT? Did he change his mind? If God is perfect why would he have to change his mind and have a whole new outlook??

Also how ARE you supposed to pray? Is there a specific list of prayers in some official religious language, or can you just talk to God in your head?
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Just out of curiosity and total ingorance, why would God be all vengeful and violent and then suddenly the opposite in the NT? Did he change his mind? If God is perfect why would he have to change his mind and have a whole new outlook??

The problem is that people (not you, but some people in general) rip these OT stories out of context and completely misinterpret their purpose. The purpose is NOT to show that God is vengeful, violent, a killer, and someone who aproves of destroying another race in His name; the point is that God is all-powerful, omnipotent, and he COULD destroy an entire race if he wanted to. Like I said before, some of the religious battles in the OT never happened, they're just stories used to fulfil the purpose. I can't really answer your last question because I'd prefer to avoid speculation regarding what God wants/thinks. All I know is that if these texts were used correctly, as the authors intended, we wouldn't have to debate over why it looks like God encourages war and violence.
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Also how ARE you supposed to pray? Is there a specific list of prayers in some official religious language, or can you just talk to God in your head?
There are prayer books, which may help, but are not required by any means. There is no official language in Christianity (though, that may be different for other religions. In Islam, for example, prayers must be in Arabic). You can speak out loud or in you head (God still hears you).

I find that praying through Scripture (such as the Ten Commandments, the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23) or the Psalms) is helpful at times.
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Like I said before, some of the religious battles in the OT never happened, they're just stories used to fulfil the purpose.
I'm not familiar with any specific examples...
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There are prayer books, which may help, but are not required by any means. There is no official language in Christianity (though, that may be different for other religions. In Islam, for example, prayers must be in Arabic). You can speak out loud or in you head (God still hears you).

I find that praying through Scripture (such as the Ten Commandments, the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23) or the Psalms) is helpful at times.
Hmmm, was latin not the official language many many years ago ?
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Hmmm, was latin not the official language many many years ago ?
You may be referring to the Catholic Church, which conducted services in Latin. I do not recall if they required congregants to pray in Latin.
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The purpose is NOT to show that God is vengeful, violent, a killer, and someone who aproves of destroying another race in His name; the point is that God is all-powerful, omnipotent, and he COULD destroy an entire race if he wanted to.
A cynic could easily take that statement and say "ah, so those who write the Bible needed to instill fear of some great being who could easily destroy them if he felt like it, so that the people would fall in line and follow without question."

But I'm not a cynic.
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I just read all 4 pages and everyone’s input was very interesting. What a subject to get into. I don't think we were meant to fully understand it. This may sound self centered, but I think if we can find inner peace then we will be the closest to God. I don't thank him for things like a car not hitting me after I cross a street, but for allowing me to know the good people I have in my life.

People make choices, like allowing other people starve, people may have AIDs because of someone else’s choices. I completely believe that people are the only ones to blame if there is a fixable situation not fixed.
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