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Infinitum98 said:
we were talking about actual contenders
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running yes, and that's about it.
he has the most whiney voice of all the candidates running.
he's worse than Hillary in the voice dept.
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he has the most whiney voice of all the candidates running.
he's worse than Hillary in the voice dept.
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do we talk about the excessive amount of saliva in Rudy'sches mouthshes?
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This is going to be very close.
Saturday, RCP had McCain up by 0.1
Yesterday, Romney was up by 0.1
And today, McCain's up by 0.7
Saturday, RCP had McCain up by 0.1
Yesterday, Romney was up by 0.1
And today, McCain's up by 0.7
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diamond said:
So that makes him morally superior somehow and better qualified to be President?
Divorce happens, doesn't necessarily have anything to do with character. Some of the most morally bankrupt people have never been divorced.
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MrsSpringsteen said:
You're right:
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2861U2 said:
quit being so gleeful about it, snapperhead
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MrsSpringsteen
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So very predictable. Plenty of Republicans have never been divorced either. Like Larry Craig.
For you to act as if Mitt Romney is morally superior to McCain because he's never been divorced is pretty ridiculous. Sometimes divorce is the right thing do do. And it's certainly morally superior to staying married but being unfaithful, just to give one example. Not to mention that there are so many moral issues outside one's personal life, things that politicians are responsible for that actually matter.
For you to act as if Mitt Romney is morally superior to McCain because he's never been divorced is pretty ridiculous. Sometimes divorce is the right thing do do. And it's certainly morally superior to staying married but being unfaithful, just to give one example. Not to mention that there are so many moral issues outside one's personal life, things that politicians are responsible for that actually matter.
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i'm sorry, but if someone knows they're going to get divorced, then they have no business getting married in the first place.
it's all about personal responsibility, people.
it's all about personal responsibility, people.
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Romney, McCain call each other 'liberal'
Mitt Romney and John McCain accuse each other of harboring liberal tendencies
MSNBC.com
Updated: 12:40 PM ET Jan 26, 2008
Mitt Romney and John McCain accused each other Monday of harboring liberal tendencies, a charge bordering on blasphemy in the increasingly caustic campaign for the Republican presidential nomination.
Romney struck first on the day before the winner-take-all Florida primary, criticizing the Arizona senator for his legislation reducing the role of money in politics, for his position on immigration and for his support of an energy bill that he said would have driven up consumer costs.
"If you ask people, 'Look at the three things Senator McCain has done as a senator,' if you want that kind of a liberal Democratic course as president, then you can vote for him," Romney told campaign workers. "But those three pieces of legislation, those aren't conservative, those aren't Republican, those are not the kind of leadership that we need as we go forward."
McCain answered swiftly, accusing the former Massachusetts governor of "wholesale deception of voters. On every one of the issues he has attacked us on, Mitt Romney was for it before he was against it."
He added, "The truth is, Mitt Romney was a liberal governor of Massachusetts who raised taxes, imposed with Ted Kennedy a big government mandate health care plan that is now a quarter of a billion dollars in the red, and managed his state's economy incompetently, leaving Massachusetts with less job growth than 46 other states."
McCain later told a Jacksonville audience that Romney has been "entirely consistent. He's consistently taken at least two sides of every issue, sometimes more than two."
The exchange reflected the stakes in Tuesday's contest, a prelude to a virtual nationwide primary on Feb. 5.
The polls show McCain and Romney in a state race that is too close to call.
McCain collected endorsements in recent days from Florida's top two Republican elected officials, Sen. Mel Martinez and Gov. Charlie Crist, as well as the endorsements of a slew of Florida newspapers. The former Vietnam prisoner of war also has universal name recognition, as well as ownership of an issue important to the large number of veterans and active military in the state, national security.
But Romney has a get-out-the-vote effort in the state that has been at work on early voters as well as those seeking to cast absentee ballots.
A former businessman, he has campaigned as the man with the credentials to shore up the economy, a counter to McCain's national security credentials.
Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee are also on the ballot, but recent surveys have shown them fading. Giuliani declined to join the fray.
"My opponents are fighting each other, calling each other names. Let them do that. We're not going to call anybody names. I want Florida to send a message that the kind of candidate you want and the kind of president you want is one that can remain focused on positive goals," Giuliani told an audience in Sanford, Fla.
McCain is expected to do well in areas with a strong military presence _ Pensacola, Jacksonville and Tampa. He's also hoping for a strong turnout in Miami, with its Cuban-American population, and Orlando, a melting pot with a strong Puerto Rican community.
Romney is fighting for the southwest part of the state around Fort Myers and Sarasota; it's much like the Midwest, where he was raised. Another likely stronghold for him, Palm Beach and Broward County, home to many Northeastern transplants.
Up for grabs is the corridor between Tampa and Daytona Beach along Interstate 4, a swing part of the state that has seen much growth and is home to roughly two-thirds of the Republican primary vote.
Romney was in West Palm Beach while McCain was in Jacksonville as they set out on their final full day of Florida campaigning.
Addressing phone bank workers who came out to the airport to see him off on a state flyaround, Romney said three key bills that McCain pushed in Congress steered the country on "a liberal Democrat course."
Romney said the 2002 McCain-Feingold campaign finance law "hit the First Amendment" with its controls over advertising spending.
He labeled last year's failed McCain-Kennedy immigration bill "the amnesty bill" because it would have allowed illegal immigrants to remain in the country indefinitely. Romney also said a 2003 McCain-Lieberman energy cap-and-trade bill would have increased energy costs for the average Florida family of four by $1,000.
He also drew chuckles from his audience when he recalled there was talk during the 2004 campaign of McCain teaming up with Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, the Democratic presidential nominee, on the opposing party's ticket.
"Had someone asked me that question, there would not have been a nanosecond of thought about it; it would have been an immediate laugh," Romney said. "And, of course, if someone asked him if he would consider me as a running mate, he would have also laughed immediately."
During a news conference, Romney also criticized Democratic Sen. Barack Obama, who has drawn large crowds in his bid for the presidency.
Asked how he would counter Obama if he were the nominee, Romney said "the nation will divide in two parts _ politically at least."
He said of his supporters: "Some may be less demonstrative in how they show their support for that vision, but I believe fundamentally that America is not interested in following a socialistic-style, government-run nation."
Emphasizing his signature issue, McCain toured the grounds of Atlantic Machine, which builds Navy ships and commercial vessels, before holding a round-table in one of the company's warehouses with national security experts, including Former CIA Director Jim Woolsey and former Veterans Affairs Secretary Tony Principi.
In his statement issued before the event, McCain likened Romney to Kerry over the weekend in a Web ad that superimposed the face of the former governor on an image of the 2004 Democratic presidential candidate windsurfing. The campaign also acknowledged that it has been running a radio ad statewide in Florida since Friday that assails Romney's record.
Mitt Romney and John McCain accuse each other of harboring liberal tendencies
MSNBC.com
Updated: 12:40 PM ET Jan 26, 2008
Mitt Romney and John McCain accused each other Monday of harboring liberal tendencies, a charge bordering on blasphemy in the increasingly caustic campaign for the Republican presidential nomination.
Romney struck first on the day before the winner-take-all Florida primary, criticizing the Arizona senator for his legislation reducing the role of money in politics, for his position on immigration and for his support of an energy bill that he said would have driven up consumer costs.
"If you ask people, 'Look at the three things Senator McCain has done as a senator,' if you want that kind of a liberal Democratic course as president, then you can vote for him," Romney told campaign workers. "But those three pieces of legislation, those aren't conservative, those aren't Republican, those are not the kind of leadership that we need as we go forward."
McCain answered swiftly, accusing the former Massachusetts governor of "wholesale deception of voters. On every one of the issues he has attacked us on, Mitt Romney was for it before he was against it."
He added, "The truth is, Mitt Romney was a liberal governor of Massachusetts who raised taxes, imposed with Ted Kennedy a big government mandate health care plan that is now a quarter of a billion dollars in the red, and managed his state's economy incompetently, leaving Massachusetts with less job growth than 46 other states."
McCain later told a Jacksonville audience that Romney has been "entirely consistent. He's consistently taken at least two sides of every issue, sometimes more than two."
The exchange reflected the stakes in Tuesday's contest, a prelude to a virtual nationwide primary on Feb. 5.
The polls show McCain and Romney in a state race that is too close to call.
McCain collected endorsements in recent days from Florida's top two Republican elected officials, Sen. Mel Martinez and Gov. Charlie Crist, as well as the endorsements of a slew of Florida newspapers. The former Vietnam prisoner of war also has universal name recognition, as well as ownership of an issue important to the large number of veterans and active military in the state, national security.
But Romney has a get-out-the-vote effort in the state that has been at work on early voters as well as those seeking to cast absentee ballots.
A former businessman, he has campaigned as the man with the credentials to shore up the economy, a counter to McCain's national security credentials.
Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee are also on the ballot, but recent surveys have shown them fading. Giuliani declined to join the fray.
"My opponents are fighting each other, calling each other names. Let them do that. We're not going to call anybody names. I want Florida to send a message that the kind of candidate you want and the kind of president you want is one that can remain focused on positive goals," Giuliani told an audience in Sanford, Fla.
McCain is expected to do well in areas with a strong military presence _ Pensacola, Jacksonville and Tampa. He's also hoping for a strong turnout in Miami, with its Cuban-American population, and Orlando, a melting pot with a strong Puerto Rican community.
Romney is fighting for the southwest part of the state around Fort Myers and Sarasota; it's much like the Midwest, where he was raised. Another likely stronghold for him, Palm Beach and Broward County, home to many Northeastern transplants.
Up for grabs is the corridor between Tampa and Daytona Beach along Interstate 4, a swing part of the state that has seen much growth and is home to roughly two-thirds of the Republican primary vote.
Romney was in West Palm Beach while McCain was in Jacksonville as they set out on their final full day of Florida campaigning.
Addressing phone bank workers who came out to the airport to see him off on a state flyaround, Romney said three key bills that McCain pushed in Congress steered the country on "a liberal Democrat course."
Romney said the 2002 McCain-Feingold campaign finance law "hit the First Amendment" with its controls over advertising spending.
He labeled last year's failed McCain-Kennedy immigration bill "the amnesty bill" because it would have allowed illegal immigrants to remain in the country indefinitely. Romney also said a 2003 McCain-Lieberman energy cap-and-trade bill would have increased energy costs for the average Florida family of four by $1,000.
He also drew chuckles from his audience when he recalled there was talk during the 2004 campaign of McCain teaming up with Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, the Democratic presidential nominee, on the opposing party's ticket.
"Had someone asked me that question, there would not have been a nanosecond of thought about it; it would have been an immediate laugh," Romney said. "And, of course, if someone asked him if he would consider me as a running mate, he would have also laughed immediately."
During a news conference, Romney also criticized Democratic Sen. Barack Obama, who has drawn large crowds in his bid for the presidency.
Asked how he would counter Obama if he were the nominee, Romney said "the nation will divide in two parts _ politically at least."
He said of his supporters: "Some may be less demonstrative in how they show their support for that vision, but I believe fundamentally that America is not interested in following a socialistic-style, government-run nation."
Emphasizing his signature issue, McCain toured the grounds of Atlantic Machine, which builds Navy ships and commercial vessels, before holding a round-table in one of the company's warehouses with national security experts, including Former CIA Director Jim Woolsey and former Veterans Affairs Secretary Tony Principi.
In his statement issued before the event, McCain likened Romney to Kerry over the weekend in a Web ad that superimposed the face of the former governor on an image of the 2004 Democratic presidential candidate windsurfing. The campaign also acknowledged that it has been running a radio ad statewide in Florida since Friday that assails Romney's record.
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MrsSpringsteen said:
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You altered my post, that's not allowed
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MrsSpringsteen said:
That's awesome...
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anitram said:
and that McCain is awfully liberal with those "you just hate the troops" charges should someone dare to question "the surge."
but, anyway ...
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Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 GOP!
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This is scary.
Mac makes Reagan look like a rocket scientist in his response to Ron Paul:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcdLO3jKkPo
This fellow is just too old.
Mac makes Reagan look like a rocket scientist in his response to Ron Paul:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcdLO3jKkPo
This fellow is just too old.
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Doesn't address the problems with Mitt Romney, now does it?
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Romney won that debate, answered the questions well- so what's your point?
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With as many flaws as McCain has, Romney's flaws still outweigh those of McCain.
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phillyfan26 said:
observations from a teenaged left minded thinker.
go figure.
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It's one thing to change many of your positions.
It's another to change many of them, and then vehemently deny any of them changed.
It's another thing to go way out of your way to deny rights to people in a country that's based upon the ideals of equal rights.
It's another to change many of them, and then vehemently deny any of them changed.
It's another thing to go way out of your way to deny rights to people in a country that's based upon the ideals of equal rights.
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Avoidance from a middle aged right minded follower.
go figure.
bvs
go figure.
bvs
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I still don't see how my age has anything to do with this discussion.
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MrsSpringsteen said:
McCain should be ashamed of himself, talking this way--as if working with Democrats is some sort crime. He knows that's not true.
A pity he belongs to a party where his constituency expects him to have these kinds of attitudes.
maycocksean said:
Don't worry, he'll change his tune in the general. One might say he will FLIP FLOP quickfast when those independents become relevant.
McCain disgusts me. I think Mitt knows he's a fake, and he doesn't even try hard to pretend otherwise. McCain has his ass kissed by the media and lies on a daily basis and yet he's got gravitas. This guy has really managed to bamboozle otherwise thinking people into some kind of unintelligent stupor.
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