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Old 12-17-2006, 09:22 PM   #91
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I really wish human rights wouldn't be such an obstacle for harsh punishments. It would give everybody a safer enviornment to live in.

I wonder if we live on the same planet.

Let's abolish human rights. You in the developing world would probably really love when we stepped in, steam rolled all over you, made you our colonial slaves and sent you to banana plantations so we can buy them at Walmart for 2 cents a pound.

I can't believe how short sighted you are about what human rights really mean.
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Old 12-17-2006, 11:29 PM   #92
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I wonder if we live on the same planet.

Let's abolish human rights. You in the developing world would probably really love when we stepped in, steam rolled all over you, made you our colonial slaves and sent you to banana plantations so we can buy them at Walmart for 2 cents a pound.

I can't believe how short sighted you are about what human rights really mean.
I never said abolish human rights. I said that they shouldn't be an obstacle for justice as they usually are. I'm sick and tired of having innocent civillians humilliated, raped, beat and murdered while the criminals are protected and confined into a "humane" jail cell. Screw that.

Bring on the harsh punishments. Off with their heads.
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I never said abolish human rights.
Actually that's exactly what your posts are suggesting.
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I never said abolish human rights. I said that they shouldn't be an obstacle for justice as they usually are. I'm sick and tired of having innocent civillians humilliated, raped, beat and murdered while the criminals are protected and confined into a "humane" jail cell. Screw that.

Bring on the harsh punishments. Off with their heads.
Your ignorance is shining through. Get learned before you come to an opinion.
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I see it more as a gut reaction, the same that people have to paedophiles and rapists, the punishment people want to see is disproportionate to the terrible crime that they commit. If we succumb to such urges then wheres the end? Do we make it a crime for girls who embarress their families?

I would be interested if a reversable coma could be induced as punishment long term; if it is even feesible or could be done without serious brain damage to get the same effect in a reversable manner.
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Your ignorance is shining through. Get learned before you come to an opinion.
How? How is it "shining"? Because it disgusts me to see criminals who disrespected innocent people´s integrity being treated with respect themselves? How is that fair?
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How? How is it "shining"? Because it disgusts me to see criminals who disrespected innocent people´s integrity being treated with respect themselves? How is that fair?
For the same reasons that have been posted by Angela, Axver, Anitram, and myself... You know, the ones you chose to ignore.
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We have learned from the past and value people more than in the middle ages.

Now we believe in rehabilitation, and don't want to sink to the level of criminals.

And as said before, brutal punishment doesn't stop crime.
Old people here in Germany also come with the argument, under Hitler Germany was such a safe place.
Like your country under the dictatorship. But there it is, under a dictatorship.

We have overcome this stupid time, and learned that everybody has to be treated with some respect.

Of course it's shit when people get robbed, and you want some punishment. But cutting their hands off doesn't help.
No one becomes a burglar out of fun, but because they are desperately trying to survive and don't see another possiblity.
So we have to show them another perspective, and give them a chance to do better in future.
That is reached by rehablitation. Of course, not always, but nothing is perfect.

And if rehabilitation isn't enough, we lock people away for the rest of their life.
But we stopped to kill other people.
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I disagree. There is no excuse for being a criminal.

I´m really glad you guys have never had a criminal hurt you or one of your loved ones because then you would stop being so benign with them.
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We have learned from the past and value people more than in the middle ages.

Now we believe in rehabilitation, and don't want to sink to the level of criminals.

And as said before, brutal punishment doesn't stop crime.
Old people here in Germany also come with the argument, under Hitler Germany was such a safe place.
Like your country under the dictatorship. But there it is, under a dictatorship.

We have overcome this stupid time, and learned that everybody has to be treated with some respect.

Of course it's shit when people get robbed, and you want some punishment. But cutting their hands off doesn't help.
No one becomes a burglar out of fun, but because they are desperately trying to survive and don't see another possiblity.
So we have to show them another perspective, and give them a chance to do better in future.
That is reached by rehablitation. Of course, not always, but nothing is perfect.

And if rehabilitation isn't enough, we lock people away for the rest of their life.
But we stopped to kill other people.
Did you ever watch the show 30 days by Morgan Spearlock. He went to Prison for 30 days. Towards the end, one of the men is released but ends up back in prison, where is the rehabilitiation?? Once some one murders another human being there are non-human. When a person executes the murderer it's like putting an animal down. I doubt it's that painful unlike his/her vicitims went through.
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I disagree. There is no excuse for being a criminal.
You've never broken any law?


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I´m really glad you guys have never had a criminal hurt you or one of your loved ones because then you would stop being so benign with them.
Horrible, horrible assumption. Do you really want to share lists? I doubt it.
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I´m really glad you guys have never had a criminal hurt you or one of your loved ones because then you would stop being so benign with them.
I'm glad you're so quick to make assumptions about people you don't know

I won't even go into what criminals have done to hurt our family (my mom's side) because honestly I don't see how it's relevant. Lives have been destroyed by criminals, and we've even had criminals in our family.

There is no logical reason for capital punishment. It does not deter crime, it is more expensive, it takes money/time/resources/focus off of more important issues, and it sometimes punishes people who never even committed the crime. Setting religion, morals, and personal experiences aside, the death penalty is still stupid.

If revenge means THAT much to you, then go pick a fight with the criminal and pull the trigger yourself. My votes and tax dollars should be used on actual issues.
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Did you ever watch the show 30 days by Morgan Spearlock. He went to Prison for 30 days. Towards the end, one of the men is released but ends up back in prison, where is the rehabilitiation??
One example means no rehabilitation?

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Once some one murders another human being there are non-human. When a person executes the murderer it's like putting an animal down. I doubt it's that painful unlike his/her vicitims went through.
You just defended a murderer a few pages back, is he no longer human? If you're framed are you no longer human?
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Thats why I keep stressing that we have DNA and other methods to prove one GUILT
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Thats why I keep stressing that we have DNA and other methods to prove one GUILT
That still doesn't prove anything 100%.
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