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Old 06-04-2005, 12:55 PM   #31
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Old 06-04-2005, 02:47 PM   #32
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You talk about comparisons that are not well thought-out, but yours takes the cake.

I said something about melon's slight of conservatives, and you post examples of Spagnola's hatred?

HUH?
What is the connection, deep?

This thread was about flag-burning, and neither side had insulted a whole group of people - until melon. That's the "slight of conservatives" I was talking about.

He does that all the time. It doesn't make a difference whether it is actually part of the conversation or not.



“Republican legislators are a bunch of morons who want their salaries and prestige, but want nothing to do with actually fixing problems.”

Melon's post was about how the right uses the anti-flag burning amendment for gain.

Congressman Cox told me it would never become law, but it was a good election year ploy by the GOP.






As for preacher Chuck,

I did not know much about him.

Your post made me do some research.

I expected to validate what you posted. It went the other way

anyone who wear's
a shirt that reads


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and climbs a flag pole

and is joined by a GOP candidate in a parade
does more to slight conservatives than anything Melon could post.
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Old 06-04-2005, 02:52 PM   #33
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this guy seem like a real sicko. (d'oh)

but i just don't know how i feel about the entire "hate crimes" concept. people have the right to be as bigoted and hateful as they want, its only the actual crime that should be punished. even in the case of someone putting swastikas on a jewish temple, for example, it seems to me like the person could only truly be convicted of vandalism. i dunno...
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Old 06-04-2005, 03:23 PM   #34
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in the case of someone putting swastikas on a jewish temple, for example, it seems to me like the person could only truly be convicted of vandalism. i dunno...

you don't see the difference

in a kid writing his name on a wall

neo nazis putting swastikas on a temple?

the intent and the harm inflicted on the victims
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Old 06-04-2005, 03:26 PM   #35
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you don't see the difference

in a kid writing his name on a wall

neo nazis putting swastikas on a temple?

the intent and the harm inflicted on the victims
yes, like the "N***ers out" graffiti I saw in a certain Mid-European city recently.
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but i just don't know how i feel about the entire "hate crimes" concept. people have the right to be as bigoted and hateful as they want, its only the actual crime that should be punished. even in the case of someone putting swastikas on a jewish temple, for example, it seems to me like the person could only truly be convicted of vandalism. i dunno...
Until you're part of a hated minority, one will never understand the need for punishing "hate crimes." America, especially, has a long history of bigotry that needs to be broken. Maybe an extra punishment for crimes committed out of bigotry will help break that cycle.

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anyone who wear's
a shirt that reads


G-ot
A-ids
Y-et

and climbs a flag pole

and is joined by a GOP candidate in a parade
does more to slight conservatives than anything Melon could post.
I would have to agree with that.

I just do not understand how someone could wear a shirt with that kind of thing on it, and actually believe it, support it. What an idiot.

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I think it's a silly thing. It's just a piece of cloth.
And Koran is a just a bunch of paper. Yet we need to apologize for that?
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And Koran is a just a bunch of paper. Yet we need to apologize for that?
Excuse me--the Koran is a religious document.

The flag is a political\governmental symbol.

Entirely different animals there--or they damn well should be.

The proposed anit-flag burning amendment was intended to prohibit the desecration of the flag (root word sacred, origin Latin sacrare, meaning 'holy'.

The constitution of the United States mandates seperation of church and state.

Any national law that attempts to force people to hold a political symbol in the same regard that they hold a religious symbol would, seems to me, be in violation of the constitutional prohibition of the mixing of church and state.

That would feel like the United States government telling me "Fall down on your knees and worship our mighty self." When hell freezes over... I will not treat\think of\regard\worship a national flag, a political symbol, as an object of holy veneration.

I would burn a flag as a political protest, if I thought it would draw attention to the political issue at hand.

I would never burn the Koran, or the Bible, or even the Book of the Hopi, for any purpose.
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treating the Koran with respect is more of a military strategy than anything else.

we fight the enemies we have, not the enemy we want.

don't give them any more reason to hate us than they already do. and if that involves not flushing a Koran down a toilet or pissing on it, then so be it.
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as for flag burning ...

the reason i would never burn a flag is because i am allowed to burn the flag.

if flag burning were made illegal, i'd burn a flag in protest.
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And Koran is a just a bunch of paper. Yet we need to apologize for that?
The Bible is a piece of paper. Pardon me while I wipe my ass with the Book of Leviticus.

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The Bible is a piece of paper. Pardon me while I wipe my ass with the Book of Leviticus.

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Actually with some masking tape the Bible makes for some great games, I once scored a top left corner shot in Bible Soccer.
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Until you're part of a hated minority, one will never understand the need for punishing "hate crimes." America, especially, has a long history of bigotry that needs to be broken. Maybe an extra punishment for crimes committed out of bigotry will help break that cycle.

Melon
ok, for christs sake, im jewish. i mean i dont really know what i believe, but i was raised jewish, attended synagogue, the whole shebang. so yes, even if its not necessarily the target du jour (i vaguely remember some bad shit around the 2000 elections w/ Lieberman and all, but i was only 10), i do know what its like to be discriminated against. hey, wanna hear a jew joke? whats the difference between a jew and an apple pie? an apple pie doesnt scream when you put it in the oven.

fuckers.

but not criminals.

youre spewing hate about the bible, thats very offensive to some christians i can imagine. but i dont see anyone coming to arrest you. fuck, the moderators arent even censoring you for it.

edit: i just realized i said "for christs sake, im jewish"!...i'll leave that there for your entertainment...
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as for flag burning ...

the reason i would never burn a flag is because i am allowed to burn the flag.

if flag burning were made illegal, i'd burn a flag in protest.
same here
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