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Old 02-07-2007, 10:04 PM   #16
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"Christian" colleges don't have to live in the real world, due to "religious freedom." As for how valid those degrees are, I don't know. But I'm sure that he'll become some poster boy for some "ex-gay" organization's quackery, so it's not as if "validity" is important anyway in his world.
Well, if you're talking about a non-accredited "Bible college" then, yeah. But no one is going to recognize a "masters" degree from such a place anyway.

Speaking as someone was a psychology major (before switching to education) who went to an actual accredited university run a a conservative Christian denomination I can promise you that the APA would definitely be heard of and referenced. There are standards for accreditiation and handing out legititmate degrees and Christian colleges have to follow them just like everyone else.

Of course it's not surprising that the professors in the Behavioral Science dept (my "home" throughout my college years, I continued to work there even after I switched majors) where among the more "liberal" than say, the folks over in the seminary.
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Well, if you're talking about a non-accredited "Bible college" then, yeah. But no one is going to recognize a "masters" degree from such a place anyway.

Speaking as someone was a psychology major (before switching to education) who went to an actual accredited university run a a conservative Christian denomination I can promise you that the APA would definitely be heard of and referenced. There are standards for accreditiation and handing out legititmate degrees and Christian colleges have to follow them just like everyone else.

Of course it's not surprising that the professors in the Behavioral Science dept (my "home" throughout my college years, I continued to work there even after I switched majors) where among the more "liberal" than say, the folks over in the seminary.
AH okay that makes sense. All I want is for Ted to have to study homosexual identity development (according to the APA, and not according to the lies he was spitting out), do a presentation, write a paper, and take a test on it.
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"Christian" colleges don't have to live in the real world, due to "religious freedom." As for how valid those degrees are, I don't know. But I'm sure that he'll become some poster boy for some "ex-gay" organization's quackery, so it's not as if "validity" is important anyway in his world.
SOME Christian colleges. I took several psychology and gender studies/comm. & gender courses at a "Christian" college and just like everywhere else, we found these ideas to be laughable and disturbing at the same time. They have no scientific or academic value. If I went to any college that entertained them as truth, I'd drop out and demand my money back.
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I am a Christian myself, and here's what I have to say about all of this:

1. He should never be allowed back to his former place of ministry. There's no way he can go back to pastoring a congregation when his lifestyle is directly contrary to what's in the Bible, something that he preaches to others. He's just being a hypocrite.

2. He's way too mixed up right now to be studying psychology. He needs to straighten out his own issues before he tries to do something with a psychology degree.

3. Christian education is frustrating to me. It's a waste of time because the Bible is meant to be the source of knowledge and ethics to people, not some books written by a guy who read it once or twice. The Bible is a compass for which to base your choices and beliefs on, and when "Christian literature" becomes a substitute for that, brainwashing can occur, as it will be tilted toward that person's (the man/woman who wrote the book) worldview, and view of the Bible. A person would be best served learning from a non-Christian curriculum and having the fortitude to not let it influence their beliefs.
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I am a Christian myself, and here's what I have to say about all of this:

1. He should never be allowed back to his former place of ministry. There's no way he can go back to pastoring a congregation when his lifestyle is directly contrary to what's in the Bible, something that he preaches to others. He's just being a hypocrite.

What exactly is contrary?

Are ministers suppose to be perfect?
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What exactly is contrary?

Are ministers suppose to be perfect?
Of course not.

I just want to be taught by someone who actually has relative confidence in what they're talking about.
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But what "lifestyle" is contrary? That's what I don't understand.
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But what "lifestyle" is contrary? That's what I don't understand.
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"I have struggled with homosexuality since I was a 5-year-old boy," Barnes said in the video according to the Denver Post which was allowed to view the tape.
It's not a lifestyle so much as a mixed opinion.

Look, I have nothing against gays, and I hope they find whatever it is they're looking for in life. But I think that if a man is struggling with this, he shouldn't be teaching it is a sin. Having an opinion is one thing, but being a person of great influence and having an opinion is quite another. The same thing goes for him trying to be a psychologist; if he's mixed up personally, he shouldn't be straightening others out as a profession. This isn't cruel, it's honest.
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Ok, I understand I just wanted to clarify...
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Well, if you're talking about a non-accredited "Bible college" then, yeah. But no one is going to recognize a "masters" degree from such a place anyway.

Speaking as someone was a psychology major (before switching to education) who went to an actual accredited university run a a conservative Christian denomination I can promise you that the APA would definitely be heard of and referenced. There are standards for accreditiation and handing out legititmate degrees and Christian colleges have to follow them just like everyone else.

Of course it's not surprising that the professors in the Behavioral Science dept (my "home" throughout my college years, I continued to work there even after I switched majors) where among the more "liberal" than say, the folks over in the seminary.
OK, that's reassuring.
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