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Old 03-13-2007, 04:49 PM   #46
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Sherman: What will you do to win the votes of the Americans who are atheists?

Bush: I guess I'm pretty weak in the atheist community. Faith in God is important to me.

Sherman: Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are atheists?

Bush: No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.

Sherman (somewhat taken aback): Do you support as a sound constitutional principle the separation of state and church?

Bush: Yes, I support the separation of church and state. I'm just not very high on atheists.
is this real?
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Old 03-13-2007, 04:58 PM   #47
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is this real?
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no


looks like GHW Bush 1 did say something in 1987 - not W
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In hindsight, I've voted for Christians, Muslims and Atheists. Religious beliefs (or lack thereof) of a politician does not matter to me unless that person is determined to turn their personal beliefs into law and restrict other people's freedoms. And from that perspective, and from the outside looking in, it does seem that the US' congress could do with a lot more diversity and this is at least a good (first) step.

On the atheism/agnosticism subject: Of course you can always say there's a chance that something exists even there is no reason or evidence to support it. But let's face it, nobody wants to keep the options open that there are colonies of Snorks living at the bottom of the Mediterranean, or that the Moon's core is made of cheese. So it's not that odd that people would consider themselves Atheists. Personally, I'm 99,999999% sure that there is no deity, do I now have to call myself Agnostic because of the remaining 0,000001%?
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I see, thanks. I don't know if I'm supposed to feel relieved at that.

well, good for this guy not being afraid to state it. I'm sure there are many more who are at least agnostics in all practicality, not that I can say I blame them for not speaking up.

I also agree with Lies- I know quite a lot of fundamentalist Christians who wouldn't vote for an atheist (or non-evangelical for that matter), but I live in their breeding ground...and even still the majority of Christians I know aren't that incredibly closed-minded. At least I don't think so.
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I'm 99,999999% sure that there is no deity, do I now have to call myself Agnostic because of the remaining 0,000001%?
You can be that sure?
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You can be that sure?
Yes you can, as sure as that there are no Snorks in the Mediterranean.

Obviously I'm using that number to illustrate my point.
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I wasn't equating spirituality with stupidity, and if it sounded like I was, that wasn't my intention. I was referring to a poll I remembered reading. I didn't just make it up.

72% of Americans with high school diplomas or less are 'absolutely certain' there is a supreme being. For those with post graduate degrees, that percentage is 53.

Here is the poll; scroll down to table 2 to see what I'm talking about, but the entire poll is interesting.

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/har...ex.asp?PID=408
I'm sorry. I overreacted. Thanks for sharing the link. It wasn't directed at you, it was more that the whole statistic just unnerved me. You hit a tender spot. I'm just sensitive to that because I feel a lot of people (not saying you) judge those who have spiritual (not just religious...but spiritual in general) values simply for having them. Your post triggered that frustration in me and I'm sorry I responded that way.
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Normal people will examine each issue for what it is and make decisions on candidates based on how they feel about particular issues. But normal people don't make good press and have better things to do than making such absurd statements as Bush or pumping out surveys "proving" that people hate atheists, etc.
That's very refreshing to hear. I was starting to have my doubts.
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I'm sorry. I overreacted. Thanks for sharing the link. It wasn't directed at you, it was more that the whole statistic just unnerved me. You hit a tender spot. I'm just sensitive to that because I feel a lot of people (not saying you) judge those who have spiritual (not just religious...but spiritual in general) values simply for having them. Your post triggered that frustration in me and I'm sorry I responded that way.
No problem. I am from the South, and I get pissed when people equate that with being stupid / uneducated. So I understand where you are coming from and why you were ticked. And the only thing I was referring to is that statistically there is probably more than one atheist in Congress.
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I'm a closet Proclaimers fan, and they have a few "Christian" songs. I was listening to an album just now and this song sort of says everything I feel about a topic like this...

You make it sound easy
You say just hold your hand out don't you
You just hold your hand out don't you
That hope never leaves you
'Cos a light shines on that helps you to steer
Makes everything clear

Well it might in your world
But it doesn't in mine
I've been stumbling in the dark for years
And the light just made me blind

You say it lights every pathway
Shows me how to live life
For the rest of my days
For the rest of my days

But I can't put my faith in
Your words and demands
I believe in God alright
It's folk like you I just can't stand


You don't have to try and scare me
To reinforce my faith sir
'Cos I know that one day
I'll stand before my Maker

And if I'm found wanting
When my case is heard
It'll be by the Author
Not some interpreter of his words


You make it sound easy
You say just hold your hand out don't you
You just hold your hand out don't you
That hope never leaves you
'Cos a light shines on that helps you to steer
Makes everything clear

Well it might in your world
But it doesn't in mine
I've been stumbling in the dark for years
And the light just made me blind
Yeah the light just made me blind



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I hadn;t heard of anything beyond 500 Miles!
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I hadn;t heard of anything beyond 500 Miles!
Yeah, I listened to them all the time as a kid b/c my mom loved them. That's actually one of my least favorite songs.
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Yeah, I listened to them all the time as a kid b/c my mom loved them. That's actually one of my least favorite songs.


yes, but when you've had a few too many beers it's soooo much fun to scream "BA-DAH-DAH" at each other.
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I saw the Proclaimers live at a festival in Scotland. Me, another American, and a Kiwi trapped at the front of a crowd of drunk/high Proclaimers fans, and the only song we knew was "500 Miles."
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yes, but when you've had a few too many beers it's soooo much fun to scream "BA-DAH-DAH" at each other.
Who knew that we shared customs with the gays
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