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Old 03-13-2007, 11:30 AM   #16
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I don't care what somebody believes. What matters to me is people's stance on issues. Why do people spend more time focusing on the personal lives of individuals than the issues they stand for?
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I don't care what somebody believes. What matters to me is people's stance on issues. Why do people spend more time focusing on the personal lives of individuals than the issues they stand for?
I think identifying where people stand on various issues isn't as easy as identifying people's religion or belief system and associating their stances on issues with their personal religious beliefs. ie. if ur Catholic ur obviously anti-abortion and what-not.
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Old 03-13-2007, 12:08 PM   #18
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I think identifying where people stand on various issues isn't as easy as identifying people's religion or belief system and associating their stances on issues with their personal religious beliefs. ie. if ur Catholic ur obviously anti-abortion and what-not.
not really, because I am catholic and pro-choice. thats where i think it is just a bad idea to judge people by their personal life, culture, etc. because we're all individuals. one catholic does not speak for all, just as one athiest doesn't speak for all.
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I think this is a shame. It's using the wrong criteria for selecting public officials. I'd have no trouble voting for a smart atheist.
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I read an article in the L A Times this morning

I think the link in this thread
gave a little different slant

this part was in my article

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Stark, who has served in Congress since 1973 and chairs the health subcommittee of the House Ways and Means Committee, clarified his views in an e-mail statement.

"When the Secular Coalition asked me to complete a survey on my religious beliefs, I indicated I am a Unitarian who does not believe in a supreme being," Stark said. "Like our nation's founders, I strongly support the separation of church and state. I look forward to working with the Secular Coalition to stop the promotion of narrow religious beliefs in science, marriage contracts, the military and the provision of social services."

Unitarian Universalism describes itself as creedless, meaning that it has no underlying authoritative statement of religious belief. Some members believe in God; others do not.

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not really, because I am catholic and pro-choice. thats where i think it is just a bad idea to judge people by their personal life, culture, etc. because we're all individuals. one catholic does not speak for all, just as one athiest doesn't speak for all.
Right. But that's what they want people to think, the Fundies. They want the world to think that everyone DOES in fact hate atheists, gays, abortions, and comprehensive sex education. Unfortunately, they do a pretty good job of running their mouths until the rest of the world is inclined to believe that they are a generally accurate representation of American Christians. Not so.
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I usually try to stay away from generalizations.

But, it has been my experience that atheist and agnostics
many times have better ethics than self proclaimed religious people.
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I usually try to stay away from generalizations.

But, it has been my experience that atheist and agnostics
many times have better ethics than self proclaimed religious people.
This has been my experience as well.
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Old 03-13-2007, 12:53 PM   #24
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I usually try to stay away from generalizations.

But, it has been my experience that atheist and agnostics
many times have better ethics than self proclaimed religious people.
I dunno, I've met arseholes from many different walks of life. But also many different cool people too!
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Right. But that's what they want people to think, the Fundies. They want the world to think that everyone DOES in fact hate atheists, gays, abortions, and comprehensive sex education.


can someone tell me why there's such an obsession with sex?
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I usually try to stay away from generalizations.

But, it has been my experience that atheist and agnostics
many times have better ethics than self proclaimed religious people.
Same here.
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It's more moral because I can be a bastard without being a hypocrite.
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It's more moral because I can be a bastard without being a hypocrite.
like I said
it is a generalization


seriously,

A person with good morals or ethics, that is not based on religion, is less likely to behave poorly because they lose their faith.

If religious people don't steal because (it is one of THE COMMANDMENTS) and they believe they will be punished by God

Well, how are they much different than a person that does not steal because (it is AGAINST THE LAW) and they believe they will be punished by the legal system?
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I would be willing to bet that Stark isn't the only atheist / non believer in there. Out of 535 people, that would be really doubtful. For the most part, people in Congress are intelligent and very well educated (yeah, I know there are some idiots in there, too), and polls have shown that the better educated are less likely to believe in a supreme being.

The others won't admit it for fear of not being re-elected.
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