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Old 12-13-2005, 05:31 PM   #1
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Student wins T-shirt battle

LANSDALE, Pa. A Pennsylvania student is off the hook after the American Civil Liberties Union defended his right to wear a political T-shirt to school.
Chris Schiano's (skee-AH'-nohz) T-shirt said "International Terrorist" and had a picture of President Bush.

A security guard at his high school north of Philadelphia told him to take it off. He refused.

Schiano says he's well versed in the First Amendment. He says he "knew right off they had no legal footing to stand on."

The principal says after hearing from the A-C-L-U, school officials realized that the shirt, while potentially offensive, didn't violate the school's dress code. It had no references to sex, drugs, ethnic intimidation or explicit language.

Schiano says he's now wearing the shirt to school and no one's given him a hard time.

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i support not what the t-shirt says but the right of the student to wear the shirt.
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i support not what the t-shirt says but the right of the student to wear the shirt.
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Not a fan of the first ammendment?
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I guess the school has a fairly broad dress code. I know some local schools that have prevented students from wearing certain colors because of the message it carried.

Actually, I prefer uniforms as it allows the focus to be on education, and not what was wore to school by any given student.
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Not a fan of the first ammendment?
what.
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what.
Well you made a face, like you disagreed.
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I think the uniforms are much better.
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Hmm...these things are open to interpretation, it's not a clear first amendment issue and schools do have some amount of power in determining what's appropriate. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the school could've proven it was "disruptive" to the "learning environment" or could legitimately provoke fighting, wouldn't their actions be justified?

I dunno, it's just not as outrageous to me as if that were to happen to some person on the street. It's still a pretty tame shirt (lol) so they probably made the right decision.
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Again I would like to reiterate(sp?) that sometimes the borders between free speech and poor taste are blurred.

Thats why I really think that the first amendment should be re-examined to include (or remove) issues that weren't around when the constitution was first drafted.

How would anyone like it if I posted on this board that Bono was a cheating, money-grubbing, publicity-seeking SOB who wouldn't know a worthy cause if it fell on him?

I bet you guys wouldn't be so keen on my free speech, right?
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I strongly disagree there, free speech is not governed by taste, any speech is judged on the basis of its merits and unless speech explicitly incites harm or some issues of national security I cannot think of good cause to have it silenced.

Problems of this nature can be eliminated by uniforms or dress codes.
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I strongly disagree there, free speech is not governed by taste, any speech is judged on the basis of its merits and unless speech explicitly incites harm or some issues of national security I cannot think of good cause to have it silenced.

Problems of this nature can be eliminated by uniforms or dress codes.
Hello Wanderer,

I think that calling Bush an international terrorist incites harm, don't you think? It's a blatant personal attack which could be interpreted by some people as giving license to hunt him down and kill him because he's a terrorist who is a danger to the U.S. like Osama Bin Laden.

There are many people with twisted minds who can see this as allowing "open season" on Bush - which is wrong.
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It's not really, it is free speech, now the Secret Service investigates threats against the president and after more than a few attempts and sucesses over the years they take such things very seriously, such a thing is distinct from condemning the actions of this administration and openly flaunting that opinion.

I think that anybody who would try to assassinate the President is probably not going to be swayed one way or the other by the message of t-shirts or protests.
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