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Old 05-24-2006, 03:04 PM   #1
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fire at Istanbul airport!

I was shocked and horrified this morning to read about a huge fire in the cargo section of Ataturk International Airport, where I was just last week. Three workers were treated for smoke inhalation, and fortunately no deaths occurred. This news really hit home.
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I saw that on cnn.com this morning, very scary

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It was so big, they used aerial water drops to combat the flames. I hope it wasn't a fuel based fire.
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This is what happens when you kill a brave greek pilot 1 day ago...
God's justice...

Can you plz tell me your opinion about the greek-turkish releations...Of course only if you know the facts...I really want to see wha the americans believe, since most of the europeans don't like the prosperity of becoming "neighboors" with the wannabe "turkish empire"...
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I've gotten some phone calls from people who weren't sure I'd gotten back from Turkey. They wanted to know if I was at that airport! I caught a virus with a high fever on the flight back and didn't make my first phone calls until today.
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The Greek pilot died? I didn't know that, I'm sorry to hear that. I'm not defending Turkey in the political arena. There are the problems not just with the Greeks, but also the Armenians and the Kurds. I'm an artist, not a politician. I don't know what the hell to do about the problems in that part of the world. It's a little like Northern Ireland.
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The Greek pilot died? I didn't know that, I'm sorry to hear that. I'm not defending Turkey in the political arena. There are the problems not just with the Greeks, but also the Armenians and the Kurds. I'm an artist, not a politician. I don't know what the hell to do about the problems in that part of the world. It's a little like Northern Ireland.
The greek pilot died on Tuesday, 23 during a mock dog fight with a turkish F-16...There's no offence to you verte76, just want to hear everyones feelings about the turkish imperialism in the area..It's causing human loses and it's not acceptable anymore...
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In the larger scheme of things, politics are always self-centered tugs-of-war. So, frankly, as an outsider, I'm no longer sure who the "good guys" are in many global conflicts.

Our leaders squabble with one another and then force their people to fight their battles for them. It's quite depressing after a while.

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I couldn't agree with you more, melon. People are always claiming to have a bunch of "facts" to support their views, but it's all "hurray for my side". The media plays a big role in all the spin games.
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just want to hear everyones feelings about the turkish imperialism in the area...
No offense to you, menelaos, but I would wager that the vast majority of Americans don't give a flying fig about "Turkish imperialism in the area".

What do Greeks think about China unfairly pegging their yuan to the US dollar?
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Here is what happened, actually:

Greek, Turkish fighter jets crash

ATHENS, Greece (CNN) -- The body of a Greek pilot was found Tuesday, hours after his fighter jet collided with a Turkish F-16 during a mock dogfight over the southern Aegean Sea, according to Turkey's foreign ministry.

The Turkish pilot ejected safely and was rescued.

The Greek F-16 had been dispatched to intercept the Turkish jet because it had violated Greek airspace, according to the Greek Defense Ministry.

Both fighter jets were maneuvering around each other in a mock dogfight when the crash happened around 1 p.m. (6 a.m. ET) about 12 miles east of the Greek island of Karpathos, the ministry said. (Click here to see map of area)

The ministry said the crash happened over international waters.

The pilot of an EgyptAir commercial jet witnessed the incident while on a flight to Cairo, a Greek Defense Ministry official said.

The collision highlights an ongoing dispute between Greece and Turkey, both members of NATO, over the boundaries between their airspace and territorial waters.

Archrivals Greece and Turkey regularly criticize each other for causing mock fights between warplanes over the Aegean sea.

Greece's defense ministry says it daily scrambles several fighter jets to intercept Turkish jets that it claims have invaded its airspace.

Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul phoned his Greek counterpart Dora Bakoyanni, who is visiting Helsinki, the Greek Foreign Ministry said in a statement, Reuters reported.

"The two foreign ministers expressed their regret for today's incident and agreed that this should not affect the two countries' efforts to improve their relations," the statement said.

The two countries, who came close to war as recently as 1996, have considerably improved ties but have not resolved territorial disputes in the Aegean Sea and over the divided island of Cyprus.

"This incident will not do any good," Thanos Veremis, of the Hellenic Foundation for European and Foreign Policy think tank, told Reuters. "I think it will increase Greek frustration."

Journalist Anthee Carassava contributed to this report

Greece, Turkey avert jet crash crisis

ATHENS, Greece (AP) -- Ten years ago, NATO allies Greece and Turkey nearly fought over two uninhabited islets. War was again narrowly avoided in 1987 as Turkey prepared to send an oil-drilling ship into disputed Aegean Sea waters.

That did not happen this week. Leaders of the uneasy neighbors raced to head off a potential crisis after two military jets collided Tuesday near a Greek island -- the scene of almost daily mock dogfights between the two countries' warplanes over contested airspace.

Senior diplomats and defense officials from the two nations started talking on the phone within an hour of the crash.

On Wednesday, analysts, politicians and the media lined up on both sides of the Aegean to voice approval for quick efforts to defuse tensions over the collision. Some ventured that recent years of economic cooperation and political bridge-building finally took the edge off of age-old animosity.

The Greek and Turkish F-16s collided near Karpathos, about 440 kilometers (270 miles) southeast of Athens. The Turkish pilot ejected safely and was picked up by a merchant ship, while the Greek airman is still missing despite a major rescue effort.

"It was a dangerous situation ... and it was handled with calm and responsibility," said Greek government spokesman Evangelos Antonaros, adding that formal complaints and reports would be made to Ankara and NATO.

Athens maintains the Turkish jet was escorting a spy plane, violated international flight rules, and provoked the crash through reckless flying.

That account was flatly denied in Ankara -- where officials repeated accusations that Greece had imposed unilateral airspace limits -- but there was a common sense of relief that tension had quickly been defused.

"We want to see the Aegean turn into a sea of peace and friendship, but for this we feel the moderates on two sides have to battle against hard-liners who want blood, sweat and tears," said Ilnur Cevik, editor in chief of the English-language New Anatolian newspaper.

Seyfi Tashan, director of the Foreign Policy Institute at Bilkent University in Ankara, added: "It's ridiculous to have such incidents occurring from time to time ... both sides should show adequate statesmanship to resolve these problems."

In Greece, the conservative Eleftheros Typos newspaper praised "Tension in the air, calm on the ground," while one analyst suggested that recent mammoth trade deals between Greece and Turkey may also help sober policies prevail.

"Increasingly the societies and economies of Greece and Turkey are making it clear that they do not want a return to a period of tension," said Theodore Couloumbis, director of the ELIAMEP think tank.

"Economic cooperation has flourished, with deals in the energy sector and banking worth billions of dollars," Couloumbis said. "But this incident was a warning signal to both countries that dangers still exist."

Greece says its national airspace extends to 10 miles (17 kilometers), but Turkey recognizes only six miles (10 kilometers). The two countries are also at odds over the divided island of Cyprus and sea boundaries in the Aegean Sea.

Earlier this year, Prime Ministers Costas Caramanlis of Greece and Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey agreed to set up direct communication between air force command centers in both countries to avoid military accidents. The telephone link has not yet been established.

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here's the critical issue here: when the greeks say our jets invade their airspace, they are talking about their unilaterally imposed 10 miles airspace, which is not recognized by Turkey. You can't just 'call' airspace and say its yours, so thats that. I don't think there is any 'turkish imperialism' in the area in the same way that there isnt a 'greek imperialism'. These are just bogus claims that have divided two nations that are so close geographically and culturally.

4U2Play is probably right about Americans not caring about the issue, neither should they. This is a dispute between Greece and Turkey, not EU and Turkey, not Greece and US, and not certainly not EU with US (!!!) I don't think this is about imperialism of any kind either, this is an issue of international law.

This thread was about the fire anyway. Well, let's all be responsible now and play nice.
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It's not true that Americans should not care about the tension in the area...Right now 10 kilometers away from my home in the Souda Base an american Carrier is stopping, the Enterprise...America has great interest in this particular area, just see a map and you will understand, why...
For those who say that there is not turkish epectatism in the area let me inform you that along with the 2 turkish F-16 jets there was a photographic RF-4..And this is a fact this is not any kind of bulshit propaganda..The jets were heading to the island of Crete, the island I live...I suppose since it's a major tourist destination they wanted to take photos of the girls in the beaches to make carte-postals...Something more, what were these jets doing some 200 km away of their borders...?
Sorry to mention these issues but when I watch the turkish TV and see that 2 major GREEK islands are painted with the colors of turkey, I think I can talk about turkish imperialism...
After all don't forget what is going on in the east borders of Turkey were the turkish goverment doesn't recognise the rights of about 20 million Kurds and systematically violates the human rights treaties...
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Forgot to mention that the Greek pilot is missing as we speak and his body is not found...
The turkish pilot was rescued by a japanese-flag cargo ship, and when the greek rescue forces approached him to transfer him at the nearest hospital he pointed his hand-gun towards them and refused to board on the greek helicopter...Why did he need a hand-gun since he was in a training excersise..?As far as I know only when you are in a compat mission you carry your gun in the plane, in case you fall in enemy territory...
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No offense to you, menelaos, but I would wager that the vast majority of Americans don't give a flying fig about "Turkish imperialism in the area".

What do Greeks think about China unfairly pegging their yuan to the US dollar?
If I can recall, a spy-electronic war plane has landed in a chinese airport some years ago due to technical problems...What you were doing in the area thousand of miles away of your borders, anyway..?
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