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Old 07-17-2006, 09:42 PM   #61
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OK, I'll rephrase that. I believe in God more than man's view of God's creation.
So you don't believe in Genesis?
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Old 07-17-2006, 09:42 PM   #62
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And why isn't the Bible, a text riddled with factual innacuracies, not man's views and descriptions?
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Old 07-17-2006, 09:45 PM   #63
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OK, I'll rephrase that. I believe in God more than man's view of God's creation.
Indeed. That's why I trust the evidence of science over the stubborn traditions of His followers.

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Old 07-17-2006, 09:50 PM   #64
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So you don't believe in Genesis?
Genesis was written by God through man. Man was his secretary, so to speak.
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OK, I'll rephrase that. I believe in God more than man's view of God's creation.
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I won't discount that God may have caused some sort of Big bang, but I believe in a 7 day creation.

So, what are you? Agnostic, or a believer? You're contradicting yourself greatly in this thread.
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Old 07-17-2006, 09:58 PM   #66
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Genesis was written by God through man. Man was his secretary, so to speak.
Evidence for this? I can claim that this post is written on behalf of Xenu alien overlord and his ET will acting through me and it's just as valid.
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I won't discount that God may have caused some sort of Big bang, but I believe in a 7 day creation.
See theres a little bit of a problem since all the heavy elements in your system were created in supernova blasts and following the big bang there was only hydrogen and a little bit of helium, there had to have been at least one generation of stars before the Earth could possibly form, the universe simply lacked the elements required to make a planet, or for that matter you. First generation stars means at least a few hundred million years, the fact we can see back in time more than that when we look at the stars would support this.
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Evidence for this? I can claim that this post is written on behalf of Xenu alien overlord and his ET will acting through me and it's just as valid.
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Genesis was written by God through man. Man was his secretary, so to speak.
So let's assume this to be true. He wrote it in a time and for men who were very limited in knowledge and science and had to explain in a way that they could comprehend. We don't have to play ignorant due to the time and age that these scripts were written.
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It's quite odd, considering that science is a creation of God and probably the most direct evidence of His nature.

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Wow Melon! For the first time I think we are in absolute 100 % agreement!
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A completely atheistic point of view of the universe and it's workings is still closer to what we see than the supposition of God and that naturalism is it's workings.
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Wow Melon! For the first time I think we are in absolute 100 % agreement!
Well, except that we seem to define "science" on different terms.

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It's really interesting to note that many scientists actually frowned on the Big Bang theory for years. Why? Because such a theory hinted at creation, with all its religious connotations.
This is very true. Now, backed into a corner, the same scientest say "well - obviously there must be an infinite number of universes to explain away the absurd odds against the perfect balance of this one."

It's Amazing how quickly some scientist will abandon science once they reveal evidence that there is a God.
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Where? 30 years ago we understood less about the universe than we do today, when the Big Bang theory first originated it didn't need rapid inflation to explain uniform background radiation, dark matter to explain missing mass or the possibility that the universal "constants" have been changing, the additions to the standard model are what lead to doubts, the solution is not to leap on the "God did it" bandwagon but to furthur unravel and investigate towards the next paradigm shift.
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Quantum theory supports the idea of the multiverse. When I state that I believe that science explains the magnanimity of God, I believe it in all of science. "Evolutionary creationists" would still state that the multiverse was created by God, if the science overwhelmingly supported the existence of a multiverse. I also think that "string theory" is infinitely more fitting for a deity than the oversimplicity of Genesis.

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