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Old 07-21-2004, 09:44 AM   #16
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There is a full-out war between factions within our intelligence communities and other government agencies.

This surfaces in the media, which has long since been spy-riddled. Manipulation of public opionion and reaction is part of the game.

This is very dirty.
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Yeah, I've read stuff in the press about all of the disputes going on in the intelligence community. It's very dirty. Ugh. I hate dirty politics.
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Old 07-21-2004, 02:43 PM   #18
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http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...ent-editorials




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The Berger Smoke Screen

July 22, 2004

There is not much to rue about the departure of Clinton-era national security advisor Sandy Berger from his unpaid, informal advisory role in John Kerry's campaign. Berger has always been a plodder, unimaginative but diligent. Only now has he become interesting, as his apparent mishandling of classified documents on terrorism from the National Archives has GOP leaders smelling blood. "What information could be so embarrassing that a man with decades of experience would risk being caught pilfering our nation's most sensitive secrets," demanded House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert. Majority Leader Tom DeLay warned that "it could be a national security crisis."

Slow down, guys. Berger, who admits he made an "honest mistake," is guilty of taking copies and handwritten notes (that too is a serious violation of the rules) but not original documents. He's returned most of them to the National Archives but says some are missing or discarded. His conduct is inexcusable. But traitorous? Before rushing to judgment, everyone should remember that the Justice Department is investigating and has yet to come to any firm conclusions. Maybe it never will.

Indeed, it's striking that Berger's accusers have yet to supply a motive for his actions. Do Hastert and DeLay believe that Berger would take that kind of risk to "assist" the Kerry campaign? Or to cover up a personal failure in confronting terrorism, because the documents were about the foiled so-called Millennium terrorist plot, which occurred during his watch? They don't say.

Anyway, the problem with such theories would be that because



the original documents remain in the National Archives,


Berger would not have been able to deny the 9/11 commission access to them. Any attempted cover-up would not have covered anything up. Instead, he's now drawn attention to the documents.

By contrast, the motives for whoever in the administration leaked the Berger investigation appear clear enough. Like the outing of former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV's wife, Valerie Plame, as a CIA agent, someone is sending up a smoke screen to deflect more serious charges. By creating a brouhaha about Berger's actions, the leaker distracts attention from any criticisms of President Bush and his administration in the independent 9/11 commission report.

The accusers' theories and winks hark to an earlier staple of far-right discourse, the frequent claims of treasonous conduct by President Clinton and his advisors, whether it was in dealing with terrorism or China.

Berger has only himself to blame. He should have known from experience that you don't get punished in Washington for policy mishaps like mistakenly bombing a medical factory in Sudan, but for personal missteps. His actions are so stupid that it would probably take a genius to explain them.

We aren't hearing from the geniuses yet.
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Berger has always been a plodder, unimaginative but diligent.
Nice premise to start. Does this suggest that Clinton made a bad choice for National Security Advisor?

Why does it always come back to the "RWC"?
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Old 07-23-2004, 07:41 AM   #21
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This "honest mistake" from someone who has been involved in our countries secrets, does not fly with me.

#1 It began before they caught him. Archivists were suspicious and caught him on a second (possibly third visit).
#2 I do not care where he put the documents to get them out, he knew better.
#3 When he found them at home, he should have returned them, not thrown them away.
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I agree Dread this is not cool. He should have returned that stuff.
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I also think Berger did some good things when he was National Security Advisor. He helped with the Good Friday treaty in Ireland. That's something IMO. I will agree that this is not exactly one of them.
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Perhaps Berger was trying to draw attention away from something else...

Berger Said No

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On December 4, 1999, the National Security Councils counterterrorism coordinator, Richard Clarke, sent Mr. Berger a memo suggesting a strike in the last week of 1999 against Al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan. Reports the commission: In the margin next to Clarkes suggestion to attack Al Qaeda facilities in the week before January 1, 2000, Berger wrote, no.
Somewhat inconsistent with his 9-11 Commission testimony (which focused on GWB).
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So he tried to hide his actions by destroying copies of the documents?

I also find it interesting that the editorial writer, when making the rhetorical statements about who is to blame for keeping Clinton preoccupied with other matters, does not mention the media.
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Anyway, the problem with such theories would be that because



the original documents remain in the National Archives,


Berger would not have been able to deny the 9/11 commission access to them. Any attempted cover-up would not have covered anything up. Instead, he's now drawn attention to the documents.
Everybody does realize "no evidence" was lost or destroyed?
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