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Old 02-18-2005, 10:14 AM   #31
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So many seem to be cross-addicted. BAW

I have compulsive and codependent tendencies.
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I read somewhere that if there is alcoholism in your family you have a 50-50 chance of also being an alcoholic. Is that right, Doozer? I've certainly seen this in families, where a parent is an alcoholic and one of the kids is but not the other kid.

Also, you can't become an alcoholic by simply drinking too much and abusing alcohol unless you're already an alcoholic--meaning you have the genetic predisposition. As I understand it, some people may have never had a drink in their life but are still alcoholics and don't know it because it's never been triggered.

all true, joyfulgirl.

i know for sure addictions run in my family too.

the people that may never drink and be alcoholics may exhibit alcoholic tendancies without the liquor. when i used to go to meetings with donna, the stories i would hear would always amaze me and i would sit there and think "this could be me".

currently my addictions are the internet and food. i wish i could get addicted to exercise or something.
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I have alcoholism on my mother's side of the family. For this reason alcohol scares me to death. It's dangerous for me.
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I believe all substances are addictive when mixed with the right user.

One is not better then the other, but some are scientifically worse.

The entire meth thing scares me in light of the fact that there is a huge trend in NYC of meth use among the homosexual community. With this use come promiscuity, and with that, the spread of HIV/AIDS. Now both my wife and myself work in fields where many of our close colleagues, commrades, and friends are gay and I would be crushed if any of these people caught the disease, but moreso if it was due to the use of this drug.

Very scary.
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The entire meth thing scares me in light of the fact that there is a huge trend in NYC of meth use among the homosexual community. With this use come promiscuity, and with that, the spread of HIV/AIDS. Now both my wife and myself work in fields where many of our close colleagues, commrades, and friends are gay and I would be crushed if any of these people caught the disease, but moreso if it was due to the use of this drug.

Very scary.
A friend of mine in NYC died last year from AIDS + meth. He was only 40. He had always told us he was negative but I believe he must've gotten the virus during meth binges and was in denial about it. He was a beautiful dancer.

I read recently that the meth addiction 12-step group in NYC started out very small and rapidly exploded in size.
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found this posted on a website i frequently, an email from a psychiatrist:

"I am a psychiatrist in Atlanta and have a significant gay male population. Of all the mental health disorders I treat - including the most severe forms of psychosis and other affective disorders - meth dependence scares me the most. When I am approached for help by these poor souls, my heart sinks. There is the traditional psychosocial treatment (i.e., 12-step recovery programs), which is great, but I cannot conceive of a more addicting and destructive substance to curse mankind, so I worry that this is not enough. What's more, there is very little press about meth, in the straight or gay media, which leaves the susceptible with the tragic impression that this isn't such a big deal. Yet, the horror stories I have heard - mind you, I am a psychiatrist and I thought I had heard it all - make my knees shake with utter terror.
The progress the gay community has made with HIV awareness, research and policy is miraculous. But I agree with you: it is all for naught unless we smother this monster to its evil core. That meth is a vector for HIV is a sad reality; I fear that its potential for total descruction makes it worse than any threat HIV/AIDS has ever presented. We need to see it for what it is: mean, nasty, dirty death."
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I am glad people are talking about things. I have lots of alcoholics in my family. It is a painful thing. When people talk about their "dirty little secrets" it can only lead to healing.
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I have addictions of my own. I bite my fingers way too much. It gets pretty irrational.
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Newsweek Article

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Thanks for posting that link. I'm so glad the gay community is fighting back.

My friend with meth addiction graduates from rehab tomorrow night. Sixty days sober.
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somewhat good news -- the "super AIDS" strand story seems to have been overreported, somewhat hysterically, and the strand itself is not new.


AIDS Case in N.Y. May Not Be a Harbinger of Supervirus
Drug-Resistant HIV Strain Shows Similarities to Virus in Canadian Patients Who Were Successfully Treated

By David Brown
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Saturday, February 19, 2005; Page A09

The virulent and highly drug-resistant case of AIDS recently found in a New York City man is similar in some ways to two Canadian cases that appeared in 2001 and did not lead to the spread of a "supervirus," as some fear may happen in New York.

The Canadian cases turned out to be readily treatable despite their worrisome features. The infected patients -- two men who had no contact with each other -- are alive and in good health, said the physician who treated them. He originally described the unusual findings two years ago in a medical journal.

"They have done well. Everything is fine. But they did get into the race with a bit of a handicap," said Julio Montaner, chairman of AIDS research at the University of British Columbia. He acknowledged, however, that the New York case was "more florid, with more resistance and the patient more sick" than his patients were, and their experience may not predict the fate of the New York man or the people he may have infected.

New York City's health commissioner, Thomas R. Frieden, announced a week ago that a man in his forties had advanced AIDS diagnosed in January, 20 months after he had tested negative for HIV. Tests on the virus in his blood showed it was resistant to three of the four families of anti-retroviral medicines.

The man, who is gay, reportedly had more than 100 sexual contacts over the past six months, including many anonymous partners he met through the Internet. He engaged in unprotected intercourse while under the influence of methamphetamine, also known as "crystal." At the time he tested HIV-positive, his CD4 cell count -- a gauge of the health of his immune system -- was lower than 100, a sign of advanced AIDS. A normal CD4 cell count is more than 650, and U.S. patients generally are infected 10 years before the CD4 count drops that low.

The appearance of galloping AIDS and triply resistant virus in the same patient raised the possibility that a previously unseen, supervirulent strain of HIV had emerged. Worrisome under any circumstances, the appearance of such a pathogen in the subculture of drug-using gay men, in which anonymous sexual encounters are common and safe sex practices are rare, is especially frightening.

Public health officials are urgently trying to find the man's partners. As of last week, at least two had come forward. One has been infected for years, is on treatment and could not have gotten the virus from the man with the recent diagnosis. The other person refused to be tested for HIV and did not want to discuss matters further, said a person familiar with the case.

A strain of HIV with a very similar, although not identical, genetic profile as the one in New York was recently found in the archive of a national AIDS testing lab in California. The strain was originally reported to have come from a patient in San Diego.

Yesterday, however, San Diego County's public health officer, Nancy Bowen, said further research showed the patient was not from her area and she did not know where the patient was. New York City health officials have asked the commercial lab to help trace the source of that sample.

The British Columbia cases also involved a drug-resistant virus and disease that progressed rapidly -- although neither was as extreme as the New York case.

According to a report in the journal AIDS, one patient was infected by injecting drugs. His CD4 cell count fell from 680 in April 1999 to 240 in March 2001. The HIV in his blood was resistant to two of the three classes of anti-retroviral drugs available at the time.

In the second case, a man developed in January 2001 the flulike symptoms that are common immediately after HIV infection. He got the virus from sexual contact with a long-infected partner. By June, his CD4 count had fallen to 330, although it was back up to 510 in July. Steep CD4 declines followed by partial rebounds are common soon after infection; his case may have been an exaggerated version of that. His virus was also resistant to drugs in two classes of anti-retrovirals.

Both men were eventually put on three- or four-drug combinations, Montaner said this week. The growth of HIV is fully suppressed, and there is no virus detectable now in either patient's bloodstream, which is the goal of treatment. In both cases, their drug combinations include drugs in the same class as medications that their virus was resistant to in lab tests.

The New York patient was started on anti-retroviral therapy two weeks ago, and it is too early to tell whether it is working.

In practice, many patients respond well to drug combinations that include medicines in classes to which they are resistant, in lab tests. In addition, resistance can sometimes be overcome by giving higher doses or several drugs from the same class.

Curiously, when someone who has developed drug resistance after years of treatment stops taking anti-retrovirals, the HIV in their blood often becomes susceptible to the same drugs again.

The dramatic downhill course the New York patient took could have meant that his HIV was especially virulent, but it could equally reflect preexisting weakness in his immune system that has nothing to do with the strain of virus.

"We know the whole progression to disease is multifactorial. It has to do with the patient, and it has to do with the virus. We don't know yet why some viruses cause rapid disease and some don't," said Miguel Quiñones-Mateu, a virologist at the Cleveland Clinic.

If tracing of the New York man's partners leads to many newly infected people who have also had very rapid progression of disease, however, that will tend to implicate the virus, not the hosts.

Tests on the New York man's virus show it has a trait known as "dual-tropism." When HIV invades a cell, it attaches to a CD4 receptor on the cell's surface and to a co-receptor, labeled R5 or X4. Most HIV strains attach to one or the other co-receptor. The New York virus can use both -- an unusual but not unique ability.
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I read somewhere that if there is alcoholism in your family you have a 50-50 chance of also being an alcoholic. Is that right, Doozer? I've certainly seen this in families, where a parent is an alcoholic and one of the kids is but not the other kid.

Also, you can't become an alcoholic by simply drinking too much and abusing alcohol unless you're already an alcoholic--meaning you have the genetic predisposition. As I understand it, some people may have never had a drink in their life but are still alcoholics and don't know it because it's never been triggered.

I am fortunate not to have that genetic predisposition. It's not on either side of my family as far back as anyone can trace. I did so many drugs and drank so much in college but I never got addicted to anything. When I was done with it, I was done.
Yeah, that's about right.

My mom's an alcoholic (in recovery, although she relapsed a few months ago but it didn't go too far thank god), her mom's an alcoholic/drug addict, and her two sisters are alcoholics, one of whom recently had an aneurysm which triggered a heart attack. She's alive miraculously, but she still drinks.

I'm not drinking age right now, but alcohol scares the shit out of me, I've seen it completely fuck up people really close to me...

Although the genetic thing is only part of it, it has to do with your emotional upbriging too. Being raised in that kind of environment validates medicating as a method of coping. Even though people swear they'll never make the same mistakes their parents did, a lot of people end up in the same situations...I hope that's not me in 15 years.

Sorry to hijack the thread, though...that meth shit sounds scary, at least no one I know has ever got into that. Awareness is key, though, so this is a good thread to have.
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The dramatic downhill course the New York patient took could have meant that his HIV was especially virulent, but it could equally reflect preexisting weakness in his immune system that has nothing to do with the strain of virus.
"A preexisting weakness"? Do you think that it's maybe the methamphetamine abuse?!

Scientists kind of frustrate me.

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