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Old 09-03-2005, 05:18 PM   #1
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FEMA: "Americans don't live in tents".

Ivor Van Heerden, Chicago Tribune

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...l=chi-news-hed

... the hurricane experts shook their heads in disgust and futility, much of it directed at the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).

"We told FEMA, and we told them long ago, and we told them more than once that they needed to purchase the land for tent cities with full facilities in anticipation of this," said Ivor van Heerden, deputy director of the Louisiana State University Hurricane Center, where experts warned since the late 1990s that New Orleans' levies couldn't withstand the storm surge of a major hurricane.

"They told me Americans don't live in tents," van Heerden said. "I guess that sums up their attitude."




Van Heerden was also on MSNBC this evening and recounted the incident and said a woman who worked at FEMA told him that "Americans don't live in tents," and when asked what he would do if he saw her again now, replied that "I'd wring her neck."
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Old 09-03-2005, 05:26 PM   #2
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ha! there are alot of things Americans don't do. they don't live in football stadiums with no plumbing. they don't steal from their local grocery stores. they don't leave their dead on the streets to be eaten by rats. etc. etc. etc.

maybe things would have been better if these people starting things outside of the box. in fact, last time I checked DC was shaped alot like a box. what does that tell you?
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Old 09-03-2005, 05:53 PM   #3
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Americans don't do a lot of things: like elect incompetent leaders who fail to properly prepare for disasters. Yeah, right.

This FEMA quote pissed me the ever living fuck off. And so do people (and there still are a few) who believe that nobody knew how bad it would be if a big one hit N.O. People knew. But the organizations that were supposed to be prepared, didn't.
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This is insane. What do you get when you have a city below sea level with vulnerable levees? Those things busted up before I even lost my power. It's a denial game. It's time for the officials of our counrty, Democrats, Republicans and Independents, to face the music.
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That's it.

Katrina is going down. I will hunt her down, where ever she is, and take her out. She knew the situation in New Orleans. "Ooh, I'll back off from a category 5, and then I won't hit the city directly, then no one can blame me." Sorry sister. I see the games you're playing. You can run, but you can hide.
Or...maybe you can....but when you're hiding, then I'll show up with a flashlight and I'll find you're hiding spot, and THEN! Then Katrina, you're gonna be in a world of hurt.

What worthless hurricane.
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This is insane. What do you get when you have a city below sea level with vulnerable levees? Those things busted up before I even lost my power. It's a denial game. It's time for the officials of our counrty, Democrats, Republicans and Independents, to face the music.
I think you are absolutely correct, and I also think going forward the best solution as regards New Orleans is 'downsizing', i.e. a major effort to rehouse people from the city in other districts or neighbouring cities. NO can have a future of sorts, but realistically, I can't see it sustaining a population of 1 million for the foreseeable future.
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I hope they take the opportunity when rebuilding (which is probably a mistake in and of itself) to move the majority of residential districts to higher ground.

In fact, that may be the very most we can expect them to do about the basic NO flaw: most of the damn city being below sea level.

They couldn't be bothered to prepare for this one. I doubt they'll be overly bothered about preparing for the next one.
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I agree, echo. The city of New Orleans wasn't prepared for a Category 5 hurricane. Hell, they weren't prepared for a hurricane, period. I am afraid the great city I knew and loved is a thing of the past. I've been running into refugees from the hurricans for the past couple of days, and I expect they will be stay8ing.
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Fuck FEMA.

Fuck the lot of 'em.
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Too true, Verte. The city wasn't prepared. But I find it especially frustrating that FEMA and the Federal government weren't prepared either, even though the experts like Van Heerden had been telling them for years what would happen.

And that makes my heart break even more for all those refugees.

I'm so disgusted with the U.S. government right now.
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Too true, Verte. The city wasn't prepared. But I find it especially frustrating that FEMA and the Federal government weren't prepared either, even though the experts like Van Heerden had been telling them for years what would happen.

And that makes my heart break even more for all those refugees.

I'm so disgusted with the U.S. government right now.
my respresentatives are going to be getting suitably irate e-mails within the next couple of days, trust me. We are not prepared for disaster. Period.
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I agree, echo. The city of New Orleans wasn't prepared for a Category 5 hurricane. Hell, they weren't prepared for a hurricane, period. I am afraid the great city I knew and loved is a thing of the past. I've been running into refugees from the hurricans for the past couple of days, and I expect they will be stay8ing.
New Orleans was prepared for a Category 3 Hurricane. They got more than they planned for. Simple.

This monday morning quarterbacking is out of hand. No matter what we plan for, we will experience the unexpected.

I'm sure irate emails will rectify the situation.
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New Orleans was prepared for a Category 3 Hurricane. They got more than they planned for. Simple.

This monday morning quarterbacking is out of hand. No matter what we plan for, we will experience the unexpected.

I'm sure irate emails will rectify the situation.


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Ted Koppel speaking with the FEMA director :Here we are, essentially five days after the storm hit and you're talking about what's going to happen in the next couple of days. You guys do war games. You guys have gamed out what was going to happen in recent months after a force 3 or force 4 or force 5 hurricane... Of course you couldn't have known the levies would break. But you could have assumed it.
Yeah, e-mails won't work either. All the proper officials knew what was going on down there. Oh wait . . .

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Koppel: I've heard you say during the course of a number of interviews that you found out about the convention center today. Don't you guys watch television? Don't you guys listen to the radio? Our reporters have been reporting on it for more than just today.

Brown of FEMA: We learned about (the convention center) FACTUALLY today that that's what existed.

(Brown responds to another question by saying troops are going to be moving in soon.)

Koppel: Here we are essentially FIVE DAYS after the storm hit and you're talking about what's going to happen in the next couple of days.... You didn't make preparations for what was going to happen in the event that [a category four storm hit]. Why didn't you?
Like echo0001 said, there have been warnings for years that a thing like this could happen. It's their job to prepare for things like this. Saying "they got more than they planned for" is no excuse. They should have planned more.


Wow, this has really struck a nerve with me. I never posted this much in FYM before .
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Like echo0001 said, there have been warnings for years that a thing like this could happen. It's their job to prepare for things like this. Saying "they got more than they planned for" is no excuse. They should have planned more.
No one has argued that they should have planned less!?!

You will never have every contingency covered, and while this was always a possibility, to my knowledge, no one (Democrat or Republican, federal or state) has ever made protecting New Orleans from a Catagory 5 hurricane an issue.

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Wow, this has really struck a nerve with me. I never posted this much in FYM before .
No at all. I hope you join more discussions in the future.
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Wow, this has really struck a nerve with me. I never posted this much in FYM before .

I can't remember back to a time when I posted so much in here as well. I think it's about time more of us got pissed enough to speak our minds.
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