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Felons vote Democratic, national study says

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/story/4850294p-4452879c.html

KENNETH P. VOGEL; The News Tribune
Originally published: May 10th, 2005 12:01 AM


If disenfranchised felons had been allowed to vote, they would have swung the 2000 presidential race to Al Gore, according to a national study Republicans are touting in their fight to overturn Christine Gregoire’s victory in last fall’s governor’s race.
The study posits that since racial minorities and the poor – groups that tend to vote for Democrats– make up a disproportionate number of felons, a hypothetical felon voting bloc would be so overwhelmingly Democratic it could swing national and statewide elections.

On average, 74 percent of felons would have voted Democratic in presidential and U.S. Senate elections dating back to 1972, according to the study’s analysis of demographic and voting data.

Of Democratic presidential candidates, the study predicts that Bill Clinton’s successful 1996 re-election campaign would have gotten the highest percentage of felon votes, at 85.4 percent. Jimmy Carter’s failed 1980 re-election would have gotten the lowest, at 66.5 percent.

A state GOP-funded study by Jonathan Katz, a political science professor at the California Institute of Technology, estimates that Gregoire received 66.3 percent of the illegal felon votes.

And a study by Tony Gill, an associate political science professor at the University of Washington, estimates that Gregoire received 60.1 percent of felon votes in King County, Gregoire’s base and home to by far the largest number of illegal felon votes the GOP says were cast.

Compared with the national study, published in 2002 in the American Sociological Review, Gill writes that his study’s estimate “is too conservative, giving Ms. Gregoire the benefit of the doubt. In other words, the rate at which felons vote for a Democratic candidate is likely to be higher than the estimates provided by the precinct-level of analysis here.”

Katz did not return a phone call.

But Nick Handy, elections chief for the secretary of state’s office, the primary defendant in the case, said the national study shouldn’t be admissible.

“It strikes me that generalized testimony about how felons probably would have voted is getting pretty remote,” he said.

Todd Donovan, a political science professor at Western Washington University who’s not involved in the case, said the national study is based too narrowly on race and is not applicable in Washington, where racial minorities make up a lower percentage of the felon population than in other states.

The study’s “hypothetical felon doesn’t really exist in most places in Washington. We just don’t fit that. We’re not in Georgia,” Donovan said.
 
so the Republican way of thinking after reading this would be, "Felons vote Democratic? Oh, that must mean all Democrats are felons!":wink:
 
mikal said:
so the Republican way of thinking after reading this would be, "Felons vote Democratic? Oh, that must mean all Democrats are felons!":wink:
Not exactly, mate. :wink:

But the John Kerry, Barbara Boxer, and Hillary Clinton way of thinking is "let's get the felon vote!"

Should convicted murderers be allowed to vote? If the federal Count Every Vote Act of 2005 passes, they will be. The bill --sponsored by Democratic Sens. Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Barbara Boxer, Barbara Mikulski and others --would mandate felon voting across the country, regardless of state law.

Yep...
 
It doesn't surprise me a whole lot. The Democrats are getting more and more desperate for power, any way they can get it.
 
Those articles are all shit as well.

It's backwards logic.

Basically they are saying the majority of felons are this race, this socio-economic background, and the average age is this. Then from this they say these people vote democratic according to our numbers. But the problem is they don't know and there is no way to predict how many would vote or even how, because the one thing that separates them from the rest of their demographic is THEY ARE FELONS. So obviously they have something additional in their background that the rest of their matching demographic didn't.
 
Macfistowannabe said:
It doesn't surprise me a whole lot. The Democrats are getting more and more desperate for power, any way they can get it.

Right like pandering to those who want to redefine science, intervene in our private lives, and preach politics from the pulpit isn't an act of desperation.:|

Of course it worked for Republicans, but there was a day when Republicans would have been sick to their stomachs if someone suggested that.
 
Why exactly are felons not allowed to vote, if they paid their debt to society then why not. We don't restrict voting by intelligence(which maybe isn't a bad idea:wink: )), morals, or anything else. If they are free to pay taxes, get jobs, and live in society shouldn't they have a say in who runs it?
 
Macfistowannabe said:
It doesn't surprise me a whole lot. The Democrats are getting more and more desperate for power, any way they can get it.

:blahblah:

I could say the same exact thing about the GOP and the voting irregularities over the last two elections.

Melon
 
I'm going to be blunt. This is a very stupid article. The logic is faulty. The source of the study is biased (along with the FYM poster).

I mean, really. This is as partisan and fearmongering as it gets.

Melon
 
Macfistowannabe said:
Not exactly, mate. :wink:

But the John Kerry, Barbara Boxer, and Hillary Clinton way of thinking is "let's get the felon vote!"



Yep...


None of these people have gone out, or went out, trying specifically to get felon's votes.
 
Stupid people love Bush
New study shows correlation between decline of IQ and rise of GOP

"Stupid people love Bush" new study proves According to the prestigious Southern California think tank, The Gluton Group, stupid people prefer President George W Bush over Senator John Kerry by a 4-to-1 margin. As Chief Resident Dr. Louis Friend characterized the results of the research, "the less intelligent you are, the more you like Bush." This landmark study, conducted over a 5 month period, involved 2400 likely voters bridging all economic stratas in the 17 states generally considered up for grabs on November 2nd. Participants were tested for intelligence, then asked to fill out a 12 page series of questions involving the Presidential candidates with results released earlier this week.

The consensus: the higher the IQ, the less people trust Bush and respect the job his administration has done. The lower the IQ, the more people admire his steadfastness. "It was pretty much a slam dunk. There's no nice way to say this. Dumb people like him. They think his unwavering nature is a positive personality trait. They even venerate him for never admitting mistakes, even when he's wrong. On the other hand, smart people think he's a lying bully. I mean, c'mon, you have a deserter accusing a decorated veteran of treason. Who's going to buy that besides stupid people?"

Preliminary results:
IQ Above 140: Kerry 80%, Bush 20%.
120-140: Kerry 65%, Bush 35%.
100-120: Kerry 54%, Bush 46%.
80-100: Bush 54%, Kerry 46%.
60-80: Bush 60%, Kerry 15%, Dale Earnhardt Jr. 25%.

Apparently Bush's good-evil, black-white philosophy resonates on an inverse relationship with higher education, whereas it became evident over the period of analysis that John Kerry's nuanced arguments are only understood by people who paid attention in any class above the 5th grade.

Doctor Friend elaborated: "It has to do with intellectual curiosity. Folks see Bush in front of a stream talking about the environment and they assume he's in favor of it, even though if you read his legislation, I'd be surprised to hear him endorse shade. This also explains why Bush gets away with pretending he doesn't know how the Senate works, allowing him to call Kerry a flip-flopper."

Friend released evidence that this type of disconnect exists across the board: education, foreign policy, the economy, post 9-11 security response and State Dinner entertainment choices. Also discovered was a direct correlation between the number of preset Country Western stations on car radios and Bush's approval rating. Dr. Friend attributes this phenomena to the simplicity inherent in the messages indigenous to both. Classical music listeners were preponderantly Kerry supporters, but surprisingly, on heavy metal, the two split down the middle.

Spotting a trend, Friend cautioned, "Because of the deterioration in public education, larger and larger segments of the population are creeping downward IQ-wise, cementing the hold Republicans have on the electorate." However, if the election were held today, Bush would hold a lead of 52-48 in the popular vote, but would be virtually tied in the Electoral College, which Bush supporters argue against because the word College angers them. When contacted, a Kerry spokesman just chuckled. No Bush spokesperson was made available for comment. It was also found that Ralph Nader supporters were the brightest of all political proponents tested, but Dr. Friend dismissed them as "too smart for their own good."

In a related study, smart people prefer baseball because the pace is such that there is time to read. Will Durst has two country western stations preset on his car radio. Okay, no he doesn't.

Too bad that's a satire. :sexywink:

Melon
 
verte76 said:
None of these people have gone out, or went out, trying specifically to get felon's votes.
They're trying to rewrite the constitution with the so-called "Count Every Vote Act." In the end, it's all about winning the democrats more votes. There's no other reason why they would ask for your support. It would abridge the 14th Amendment, which gives states the right to decide on felon votes.
 
Macfistowannabe said:
They're trying to rewrite the constitution with the so-called "Count Every Vote Act."

So do you think that only certain votes should be counted? Can I throw yours out in the next election?

Melon
 
melon said:
So do you think that only certain votes should be counted? Can I throw yours out in the next election?
If I've committed a crime by then, then go right ahead.
 
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