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Old 06-24-2005, 11:48 AM   #166
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I agree that we need to get our will aligned with God instead of the other way around.

But prayer is very powerful, as a petionary method and as weapon in spiritual matters, as the following verses tell us:

"Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to this Fig Tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer." (Matthew 21:21-22)

Key phrase here: "whatever you ask for". What I'm trying to point out is that you don't just say "God, please heal my dad's cancer" and because you are a good Christian, it's done. No, sorry, I simply cannot believe in that. Why? Because if we're into Biblical examples here...tell me why Jesus' prayers were not answered? Who am I to say I deserve more than Jesus? So, am I not a good person b/c I prayed and prayed and prayed for one of my best friend's lives to be spared and it wasn't? The more we prayed, the sicker she got. This gets at my biggest beef with Christianity today: relativism. My motto is, don't ask what God can do for you, or how God fits into your life; ask yourself, what can YOU do for GOD and how to YOU fit in with GOD'S plan. Petitionary prayer is no exception, IMO.

I did believe and I DID receive most of what I've asked for in prayer, but not because I told God I wanted it and then it was there, because it was ALREADY there and prayer opened my eyes to see it.

Petitionary prayer as a weapon...why? I don't need any weapons when I have God.
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Old 06-24-2005, 12:10 PM   #167
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Key phrase here: "whatever you ask for". What I'm trying to point out is that you don't just say "God, please heal my dad's cancer" and because you are a good Christian, it's done. No, sorry, I simply cannot believe in that. Why? Because if we're into Biblical examples here...tell me why Jesus' prayers were not answered? Who am I to say I deserve more than Jesus? So, am I not a good person b/c I prayed and prayed and prayed for one of my best friend's lives to be spared and it wasn't? The more we prayed, the sicker she got. This gets at my biggest beef with Christianity today: relativism. My motto is, don't ask what God can do for you, or how God fits into your life; ask yourself, what can YOU do for GOD and how to YOU fit in with GOD'S plan. Petitionary prayer is no exception, IMO.

I did believe and I DID receive most of what I've asked for in prayer, but not because I told God I wanted it and then it was there, because it was ALREADY there and prayer opened my eyes to see it.
I agree with you.
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Old 06-24-2005, 02:33 PM   #168
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Some of the crap said in this thread is just ASININE.
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Old 06-24-2005, 02:50 PM   #169
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I'm getting kinda upset. Several people's theologies/faiths are being caught in the crossfire here. I realize some may not believe Pentacostals when they say they are baptized in the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues....no more so than some who don't believe that The Pope is a nessacary institution.....Rather than trying to sort out who's more Christianesque (which is what it seems this thread has become, if I'm totally off base than I'm sorry) why can't we try to focus on this one person who is very troubled? We've all agreed that she needs help.
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All of us have agreed...except for one person.
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Old 06-24-2005, 02:59 PM   #171
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Livluv is saying something that I really wanted to say earlier but didnt, in that just because you pray doesnt mean its going to happen.
Your post was well thought out and sincere

One thought I had was that you might think you're asking for something that is good for you, or that you really need. But sometimes youre mistaken.
God can use unfortunate situations to bring people together, or closer to him, and I think he does so.
Its unfair to think that he should let somebody suffer to accomplish something....but then again maybe its not
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Old 06-24-2005, 03:00 PM   #172
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Where did he go anyway?? Are you out there Shart?
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Old 06-24-2005, 03:00 PM   #173
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no kidding
I think he gave up
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Old 06-24-2005, 03:10 PM   #174
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I wouldn't like it if people jumped all over me too...
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depends on whose doing the jumping
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Old 06-24-2005, 03:13 PM   #176
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touche
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Old 06-24-2005, 03:16 PM   #177
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Well, when you start a thread with "I need your help" and then essentially say "oh, but I don't need your help and won't follow your advice, I have it all figured out," you should expect a little jumping.
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On other people in here as well Diemen? I'm not so sure
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I wouldn't like it if people jumped all over me too...
I'd sworn I'd stay out of this, but please....

His girlfriend's suicidal and seriously emotionally damaged. That's an emergency...not something a couple of teenagers can pray away. She needs help and if he's not going to help her get it, he needs to be jumped on.

Read (or re-read) the thread. Everyone who replied has encouraged him to seek professional help -- be it secular or religious (and I don't recall anyone telling him not to pray or seek spiritual counseling or advice. I don't consider offering help to be jumping on someone. But I guess I'm just a secular bitch.
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I don't consider offering help to be jumping on someone. But I guess I'm just a secular bitch.

dont say that about yourself
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