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Old 02-05-2008, 11:05 PM   #271
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Dalton, when I was in Japan, Yankee games were on at 8am I believe....they televise each game because of Matsui (the player, not the interlander), and so I'd wake up at 7:30am and get ready for the day, then watch the Yanks.....little slice of home.
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Which would those be, exactly?


you can get a visa to live and work in the UK for 2 years, for example.

we can only get one for 6 months, and they are harder to come by.
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Which would those be, exactly?
Australians, New Zealanders and Canadians can live in the U.K. for up to two years (2 I believe for Canadians and 1 for Aussies now) and I believe they're also allowed to live in each of the other countries as well for a certain period of time. (It's known as SWAP in Canada - Travel Cuts handles it). I used it to spend my first year in England back in '94.
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What I found very hard to deal with is that so many people I met in the US who treated me well and were very friendly have socio-political views that are completely fucked up and are astonishingly ignorant about the rest of the world. I went with a friend to a Southern Baptist church and got a very warm and inclusive welcome - but internally, I felt very isolated, as I was at the time a liberal Christian, and I imagine I'd feel even worse now that I'm an agnostic. I was terrified during the sermon.

I found it to be a very contradictory, confusing country. My feelings are quite mixed. Obviously in a political thread like this, my negative feelings are going to come out quite strongly. I'm not at all writing off every American and I hope I haven't given that impression, but very large chunks of US society leave me flabbergasted and frankly seem backwards.
The South confuses the hell out of me too. I have an aunt down there, kind-hearted as can be, completely whacky.
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Irvine, g-d knows you're a lot more well traveled and knowledgeable than I am...but, where did you go that you felt unwelcome?


i'm exaggerating, but when you get into political discussions, there's a tendency to hold the American in the room accountable for all the ill in the world, and there's a dismissiveness towards anything the US does that's frankly unintelligent.

and any traveler in Paris -- American or not -- should expect to feel unwelcome at certain points.

i also think there's a formality and almost coldness in Europe that is not present in the US. people simply are friendlier over here. and less formal. even in the supposedly cold-hearted northeast.
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Dalton, when I was in Japan, Yankee games were on at 8am I believe....they televise each game because of Matsui (the player, not the interlander), and so I'd wake up at 7:30am and get ready for the day, then watch the Yanks.....little slice of home.


Baseball for breakfast? I've had that dream!
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Dalton, when I was in Japan, Yankee games were on at 8am I believe....they televise each game because of Matsui (the player, not the interlander), and so I'd wake up at 7:30am and get ready for the day, then watch the Yanks.....little slice of home.
I did the same thing with Canadiens games when I lived in China, except they weren't televised, so I listened to them on the Internets.
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now if you'd all stop making us feel so unwelcome, maybe we'd travel more ...
Oh, come now. My closest friend is an American who goes to university here in Melbourne. She's only once encountered any kind of negative comment on her being an American, and it was in jest. I, as a New Zealander, have had a harder time in Australia than she has. My first couple of years in this country were hell.
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I found it to be a very contradictory, confusing country. My feelings are quite mixed. Obviously in a political thread like this, my negative feelings are going to come out quite strongly. I'm not at all writing off every American and I hope I haven't given that impression, but very large chunks of US society leave me flabbergasted and frankly seem backwards.


i feel exactly the same way. i probably have way more in common with you than i do with Memphis's family.
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but very large chunks of US society leave me flabbergasted and frankly seem backwards.
Me too and I live here.
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The only times I've ever felt unwelcome in another country is when I threaten to have my president blow up a restaurant when I get bad service.
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Oh, come now. My closest friend is an American who goes to university here in Melbourne. She's only once encountered any kind of negative comment on her being an American, and it was in jest. I, as a New Zealander, have had a harder time in Australia than she has. My first couple of years in this country were hell.


well, i was winking, but there is a reason those Canadians drape themselves in their flag ... obnoxious as it is.
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you can get a visa to live and work in the UK for 2 years, for example.

we can only get one for 6 months, and they are harder to come by.
I don't know a single person who did that. Not a one. Everyone who I know that spent real time in Europe either went as part of a student exchange, or because they'd been born in Europe or otherwise had EU citizenship.

I was talking about travelling in Europe, which we do a lot more of, not spending 2 years working there.
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Everyone says that to me. You can't all be wrong. I definitely think it's worth trying a few times.
Fair warning: Once you start, you may not stop.


I can stop anytime. Really.
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Australians, New Zealanders and Canadians can live in the U.K. for up to two years (2 I believe for Canadians and 1 for Aussies now) and I believe they're also allowed to live in each of the other countries as well for a certain period of time. (It's known as SWAP in Canada - Travel Cuts handles it). I used it to spend my first year in England back in '94.
Australia and New Zealand have an even closer relationship. If you're a citizen of one country, you can travel back and forth between the two as much as you like. All you need is a passport; never a visa. When my mother and I permanently moved from New Zealand to Australia, we simply hopped on the plane.
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