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Old 02-05-2008, 10:51 PM   #241
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But to be fair to him, isn't the statistic something like 80% of Americans don't own a passport?

They also don't own maps, such as.
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now, don't be like people who make one trip to some country and use it to confirm all of their prejudices. and don't be guilty yourself of judging 300m people on the basis of a few.

it's a great big place. politics is crazy. keep an open mind, and don't judge too harshly, seek to understand where things come from and why they happen.
If you go back about six years and find 2002 Axver, he thought the US was a pretty cool country. But it seems the more I become familiar with the country - visiting it, following its politics just as closely as I follow Australia/New Zealand, studying its culture, researching its history - the less I like.

Though I still think Boston's a pretty great place at least.
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I've never left the US, and don't see myself leaving anytime soon.

My parents have never left the US. They went to the Key West on their honeymoon, that's as close as they got.

I can't see myself leaving America. I think there's huge problems going on, but the bottom line is that I'm all about my roots, and my roots are my friends and family here around Philly.
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Bush had never been anywhere but Mexico prior to becoming President.
That says so much about him. It's not like he was restricted by either time or finances. That he clearly had absolutely no interest in seeing any of the rest of the world is partly really weird, but mostly just goes to show the complete lack of intellectual curiosity the guy has. I've said this before - I don't think the guy is stupid, I just don't think he really gives a fuck outside of his own very (VERY) narrow world and what he sees it as. And no doubt "I've been to Mexico" means "I went to Tijuana to drink cheap booze, do some cheap coke and fuck some cheap hookers".

No wonder he treated the rest of the world as if it were entirely made up of dumbarse hicks from rural Texas - he probably thought that's all there was out there. No wonder the Europeans pissed him off so much. Educated and experienced, and stuff.
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I've never left the US, and don't see myself leaving anytime soon.

My parents have never left the US. They went to the Key West on their honeymoon, that's as close as they got.

I can't see myself leaving America. I think there's huge problems going on, but the bottom line is that I'm all about my roots, and my roots are my friends and family here around Philly.
You should at least travel, PFan, and not decide at your age that you'll never, ever leave the States.

My roots are here, but you know what? Those roots go back 3 generations. My real roots are elsewhere.
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I've never left the US, and don't see myself leaving anytime soon.

My parents have never left the US. They went to the Key West on their honeymoon, that's as close as they got.

I can't see myself leaving America. I think there's huge problems going on, but the bottom line is that I'm all about my roots, and my roots are my friends and family here around Philly.
This shouldn't preclude you from traveling and experiencing different cultures,though.
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If you go back about six years and find 2002 Axver, he thought the US was a pretty cool country. But it seems the more I become familiar with the country - visiting it, following its politics just as closely as I follow Australia/New Zealand, studying its culture, researching its history - the less I like.

Though I still think Boston's a pretty great place at least.
But all of us FYM American people live here. It can't be that bad, can it?
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I've never left the US, and don't see myself leaving anytime soon.

My parents have never left the US. They went to the Key West on their honeymoon, that's as close as they got.

I can't see myself leaving America.
Even to travel?

And Axver, I have huge issues with US policies, but it is a stunningly beautiful country. I've seen more than half of it, and have spent many months there. Anyone I have ever met has been nothing but kind and gracious. Some of my favourite memories are actually from the US south, particularly Georgia. I met many people there that I have nothing in common with. They found my family somewhat of an oddity. But nevertheless they were wonderfully warm to us personally (even with the slow, LOUD "wow. you. speak. english. VERY. WELL." to my mother, a university prof). And yes, Boston is lovely.
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But to be fair to him, isn't the statistic something like 80% of Americans don't own a passport?
Shit, really? That's insane. I've only met a couple of people here without passports, and that's blown me away. Everyone has at least been to New Zealand or Indonesia (Bali).
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You should at least travel, PFan, and not decide at your age that you'll never, ever leave the States.

My roots are here, but you know what? Those roots go back 3 generations. My real roots are elsewhere.
Oh, I will travel, but years from now, after college and all that has gone down.

First on my list is Ireland, second is Britain, third is Canada. Eh.

When I say roots, I don't mean my ancestry or my heritage. My ancestry's two or three generations in America, then back to Ireland. I mean my personal roots, my friends and family. I'm all about that, and, while I intend to travel, I don't see myself moving. Not yet.

There's a lot of time before these decisions come up. Who knows what I'll think in a few years.

Just talking about the here and now perspective.
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My roots are REALLY here and I love to get out as much as I can.
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Boston is lovely, NYC is amazing, San Francisco is great, the Grand Canyon is jaw dropping, New Mexico is wonderful, Utah's National Parks are awesome to behold, and on and on......it's a vast and amazing country in many ways, I do agree.
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But all of us FYM American people live here. It can't be that bad, can it?
You've got some pretty cool railways and trains too, even if you insist on calling them "railroads".
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Oh, I will travel, but years from now, after college and all that has gone down.

First on my list is Ireland, second is Britain, third is Canada. Eh.

When I say roots, I don't mean my ancestry or my heritage. My ancestry's two or three generations in America, then back to Ireland. I mean my personal roots, my friends and family. I'm all about that, and, while I intend to travel, I don't see myself moving. Not yet.

There's a lot of time before these decisions come up. Who knows what I'll think in a few years.

Just talking about the here and now perspective.
Got it.

I cannot explain to you how amazing all of my trips overseas have been.
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Even to travel?
Down the road. My parents never have, but I want to.

I guess I've been using "leave" interchangably. I intend to travel, but I can't see myself moving out of the US. Not yet, anyway.
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