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Old 05-16-2007, 05:53 AM   #61
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err....

A little thoughts here....


Any one here (atheist) want to try to "save" one or two religious people from their fairy tale addictions?

I'm extremely curious if we use a similar methodology but with advanced features, how the result could turn out...

Don't do this experiment to your friend though, coz you might hurt them. But someone that you knew and said "hello" with?

Don't take it too serious though, I just think if this could be a interesting social science/human behaviour/psychology case study or research direction?

Any one want to comment on this? From purely academic view point of course.
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Old 05-16-2007, 06:20 AM   #62
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I'm not discussing smoking with smokers or trying to convert them, and I'm much less willing to discuss religion in that way.
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Old 05-16-2007, 06:59 AM   #63
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I'm not discussing smoking with smokers or trying to convert them, and I'm much less willing to discuss religion in that way.
Yeah, but smoking is very different. Smokers all know that smokes are killing them, but religion to religious people?

I don't know.

I just got a comment on my blog and another people is converting me to believe in God! (thank you, Peter)

I couldn't stop notice that these people are repeating the same thing to my ear/ eyes, over and over and over again. "God loves you", "Jesus will save you", "You'll see him", and their own experience how god helped them, how wonderful they felt with the connection of god....etc, etc, etc...

Well, based on my limited psychology knowledge (psychology isn't my major), I know that if you keep repeating something to someone, that one are likely to remeber, then accept the things you said to him/her. And if everyone aroud that person saying the same thing, he/she would believe even a lot quicker

That's why and how advertisement works to human brain. You saw/hear them over and over again in various media. Even if you didn't run to the shop to buy the products right away, but when you need to buy something, these brand names that you've been familiar with will certainly jump to your mind first.

I come across these scientific information when I did one subject: Casino and gaming management. We read few reports and analysised the gambling addiction within people. A lot of poker/gambling machines are actually designed to make people addict, by using the brain/psychological science achievement.

And that's basically why I dislike any form of missionaries. Because scientifically speaking, they are designed to make you addict as well.

I just curious about this subject, and I want to hear what other people think, from scientific/academic point of view.

I don't want people who read my post feel embarrassed or anything like that. It's just the little curiousity I had, nothing more than that.
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This is the problem with your conjecture. Although the existence of God can not be proven without a doubt, there is circumstantial evidence of him. In my case, I just witnessed a friend with emphysema be prayed for and miraculously be healed, as in she went from needing oxygen 24/7 to needing nothing in a day. This, combined with my belief that the prophecies in the Old Testament were fulfilled by Jesus in the New Testament have my belief in a creator God a little bit more than wish fulfillment. I'm sorry, but your equation of belief in a God with an addiction, I feel, is a little out of line.
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Yeah, but smoking is very different. Smokers all know that smokes are killing them, but religion to religious people?

I don't know.

I just got a comment on my blog and another people is converting me to believe in God! (thank you, Peter)

No, not all smokers know that it's killing them, ever read any of iron horse's threads?

And yes it does go the other way, there are certain posters in here(won't mention name) that make a point to step into almost every thread about God and try their hardest to dispprove to these individuals, and it wasn't even a thread debating the existence of God.

So if in both cases it wasn't asked for, what is the difference?
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No, not all smokers know that it's killing them, ever read any of iron horse's threads?

And yes it does go the other way, there are certain posters in here(won't mention name) that make a point to step into almost every thread about God and try their hardest to dispprove to these individuals, and it wasn't even a thread debating the existence of God.

So if in both cases it wasn't asked for, what is the difference?
You are saying that some religious people don't think God exist? Just like some smokers don't think smoke kills?

A bit weird to me...if they don't think God exist, what they believe in then?
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You are saying that some religious people don't think God exist? Just like some smokers don't think smoke kills?

A bit weird to me...if they don't think God exist, what they believe in then?
How did you get that from what I said?

I'm saying there are die hard down your throat athiests as well, that will go around spreading their word.
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This is the problem with your conjecture. Although the existence of God can not be proven without a doubt, there is circumstantial evidence of him. In my case, I just witnessed a friend with emphysema be prayed for and miraculously be healed, as in she went from needing oxygen 24/7 to needing nothing in a day. This, combined with my belief that the prophecies in the Old Testament were fulfilled by Jesus in the New Testament have my belief in a creator God a little bit more than wish fulfillment. I'm sorry, but your equation of belief in a God with an addiction, I feel, is a little out of line.
But please do notice that even for the similar kind of events (healing, as you mentioned), people will have different explaination, in different religions, and science...Therefore, you cannot use them as evidence to prove the existance a God, I suppose?
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How did you get that from what I said?

I'm saying there are die hard down your throat athiests as well, that will go around spreading their word.
Ur...I don't know, honestly.

I was listening to a funny song with my headphone, plus was playing a flash puzzle game before I posted...

Sorry if I made any misunderstanding...

I didn't see much athiests persist their friends to give up their religions, based on my own experience. I suppose many of athiests believe it's kind of dis-respect to other people? I made this assumption because I actually felt this way.

Like vincent said, I never talk about religion with religious people in real life either. It's just too easy to be misunderstood, somehow. And that's why I treasure ever seconds on the internet which you can actually talk with religious people about their religion.
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I didn't see much athiests persist their friends to give up their religions, based on my own experience.
Then you need to read more FYM threads.
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I don't know....the existence of other religions, does not, in my mind disprove a creator God. I definitely believe that God is big enough to act with or without the correct religion, so I do view all healing as God ordained, regardless of the religious faith or not of the person being healed. I do think that healing, in combination with other effects that I have seen of faith is circumstantial evidence.....note, I did not say proof....
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I'm just arguing against taking the behavior of one group and using that to make blanket statements about missionary activity in general.
I don't think all missionary action is necessarily bad. But I also don't believe it's bad behaviour on behalf of one group - this has been systemic, over centuries. It is very arguable whether missionary actions have been more beneficial or harmful to local populations, but this is a matter of historical perspective.

I mean, consider this statement made by the Pope just a couple of days ago:

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In a speech to Latin American and Caribbean bishops at the end of a visit to Brazil, the Pope said the Church had not imposed itself on the indigenous peoples of the Americas.

They had welcomed the arrival of European priests at the time of the conquest as they were "silently longing" for Christianity, he said.
To me, that's simply outrageous.

I actually really like what Bill Maher said on his show when he was discussing Jesus Camp. He had an evangelical woman on who stated that if you see somebody hungry on the street, would you not be compelled to feed them? And he replied with essentially: why can't you understand that I'm not hungry?
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Then you need to read more FYM threads.
Any recommendations?
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Any recommendations?
This one.

Your own posts.
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To me, that's simply outrageous.

I actually really like what Bill Maher said on his show when he was discussing Jesus Camp. He had an evangelical woman on who stated that if you see somebody hungry on the street, would you not be compelled to feed them? And he replied with essentially: why can't you understand that I'm not hungry?
watched this too. Not very familiar with this Bill, but I agree him on the Jesus camp thing 100%.

And I think the funniest part is when the mid-estern looking guy said something like "I really wish you could find Mohammed".
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