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Old 12-29-2002, 09:27 PM   #1
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FBI Looking for 5 men......

FBI seeks 5 men in U.S. illegally
Sunday, December 29, 2002 Posted: 8:50 PM EST (0150 GMT)


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The FBI said Sunday it wants the public's help in finding five men who may have entered the United States illegally within the past week.

An administration official said the names were developed in conjunction with a terrorism investigation, but would not characterize the level of concern surrounding the men. A caption accompanying photos of the men on the FBI's Web site reads: "War on Terrorism."

Although the FBI said it had no specific information the men were connected to terrorist activities, the agency said it wants to question the men "based upon information developed in the course of ongoing investigations."

The names of the men came up repeatedly in domestic and overseas investigations, according to an FBI source.

The FBI said it believes the men have information that may shed more light on the security situation facing the United States.

The FBI identified the five men as Abid Noraiz Ali, 25; Iftikhar Khozmai Ali, 21; Mustafa Khan Owasi, 33; Adil Pervez, 19; Akbar Jamal, 28. But the bureau cautioned the men's names and ages may be false.

The men may have entered the United States from Canada, the administration official said, possibly on or around December 24, the FBI said.

The FBI said it has been working with homeland security agencies -- including the Customs Service, the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Transportation Security Administration -- to locate the men.

The FBI has also given information about the men, including their pictures, to 18,000 local and state law enforcement agencies.

Anyone with any information about the group is asked to contact their nearest FBI office. Photographs of the individuals can be found on the FBI's Web site at www.fbi.gov.

CNN correspondents Jeanne Meserve and Suzanne Malveaux contributed to this report.

Link to the pictures....

http://www.fbi.gov/terrorinfo/122002si.htm
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Old 12-29-2002, 10:34 PM   #2
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FBI seeks 5 men in U.S. illegally
Sunday, December 29, 2002 Posted: 8:50 PM EST (0150 GMT)


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The FBI said Sunday it wants the public's help ....

The men may have entered the United States from Canada, the administration official said, possibly on or around December 24, the FBI said.



Anyone with any information about the group is asked to contact their nearest FBI office. Photographs of the individuals can be found on the FBI's Web site at www.fbi.gov.

CNN correspondents Jeanne Meserve and Suzanne Malveaux contributed to this report.

Link to the pictures....

http://www.fbi.gov/terrorinfo/122002si.htm
Hopefully we can catch the bastards.
Glad to see our nieghbor in the north is becoming more proactive..in fighting this world wide scourge



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How did i know someone would comment on the Canada thing!!

How else do you think they get into your country? Dig from China!!

You must not be doing a very good job protecting your borders! Maybe you should focus on having a heavier border presence!
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You must not be doing a very good job protecting your borders! Maybe you should focus on having a heavier border presence!
Yes, but when we do everyone cries FOUL!!!!!
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How did i know someone would comment on the Canada thing!!

How else do you think they get into your country? Dig from China!!

You must not be doing a very good job protecting your borders! Maybe you should focus on having a heavier border presence!
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FEDS RACING TO THWART 19-MAN ĎTERROR TEAM'

By LARRY CELONA and BILL SANDERSON
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ABID NORAIZ ALI

December 30, 2002 -- Up to 19 men of Islamic background have entered the United States illegally in the last few days on a possible terror mission, law-enforcement sources told The Post yesterday.
Pictures of five of the men wanted for questioning are posted on the FBI's Web site.

Those five and the remaining 14 are believed to have reached the United States by using phony IDs to travel through Britain and then Canada, the sources said.

Exactly what the men may be up to is unknown. Officials also don't know if the men have specific targets in mind.

But The Post's sources said the 19 are believed to be scattered through several U.S. cities, including New York.

The group planned to be in place in the United States today, said the sources.

The men are believed to come from Pakistan and "surrounding countries," the sources said.

Publicly, the FBI says it is looking for just five men, who it says should be deemed armed and dangerous. They're identified as Abid Noraiz Ali, 25; Iftikhar Khozmai Ali, 21; Mustafa Khan Owasi, 33; Adil Pervez, 19; and Akbar Jamal, 28.

But the FBI warned that all the names and birth dates may be bogus.

The FBI said it had no indication the five were linked to terrorist activities, but still wanted to question them "based upon information developed in the course of ongoing investigations."

The bureau said it was working with Customs, the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Transportation Security Agency to find the men.

INS spokesman Dan Kane said yesterday the immigration agency has "implemented additional measures to look for these individuals."

The FBI said it has alerted law-enforcement agencies around the country and the world. "Anyone with any information pertaining to these individuals is asked to contact their nearest FBI office," the bureau said.

The FBI also takes tips through its Web site, www.fbi.gov.

The NYPD is making a special effort to find the men, and a bulletin will be distributed with information to help officers identify them, the sources said.

It's not unusual for terrorists to try to strike over the year-end holidays.

Islamic terrorist Richard Reid allegedly tried to blow up an American Airlines jet over the Atlantic Ocean with shoe bombs three days before Christmas 2001.

And in December 1999, authorities captured Ahmed Ressam, an Algerian national later convicted of plotting the millennium bomb attack on Los Angeles International Airport.
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Yes, but when we do everyone cries FOUL!!!!!
who cries "foul"???

I have read comments + made them myself that it is not fair to treat illegal immigrants from certain countries different than others
I've never read anything that you shouldn't try to have as little a number of illegal immigrants in your country as possible
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Salome,

You and I are never going to agree on this issue I think.
What you and I perceive as fair, are two very different things. If people want to come to my country, from a country that has been known havens of terrorists, or have citizenship in said country, I believe 100% with my heart, that they should be looked at more closely than others.

It is a shame that it has come to this, however, it is necessary. But instead of blaming the terrorists....The US gets the blame

The finger gets pointed at the "unfair" policies of the United States. If we were not attacked, and if our prior Presidents had acted with some foresight on these issues, we would not be in the situation we are in today.

I am sure we can both look forward to a day when this changes.


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So, all the FBI has is a few pictures, some bogus names, birthdates, and a really bad feeling about these guys? And I'm supposed to get my panties in a bunch about this and quake in my tennis shoes?

I'm not buyin' it. They're still trying to make up for the missed leads about the real bad guys. Has the FBI or CIA really caught anyone that was actually intending to do me or my fellow Americans harm? No. Just some wild goose chases designed to make me feel like I need spooks covering my ass to the tune of millions of dollars.
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Has the FBI or CIA really caught anyone that was actually intending to do me or my fellow Americans harm? No.
FBI, CIA Showcase Successes in War on Terror

Almost 100 terrorist plots, most of them hatched overseas and some targeting the United States, have been thwarted since last yearís September 11 attacks, a FBI official said Saturday. The disclosure came on the heels of a statement by Central Intelligence Agency Director George Tenet that more than a third of top leaders of the Al-Qaeda terror network identified prior to September 11 had now been either killed or captured. It also follows a scathing report by an investigative congressional commission that found the US intelligence community had been receiving warnings about the possibility of terrorists using hijacked planes to attack US targets since at least 1994 and did little about it. In their remarks, both the CIA director and Federal Bureau of Investigation spokesman Bill Carter emphasized the successes of the massive counterterrorism campaign launched by President George W. Bush in the wake of the attacks on New York and Washington that left about 3,000 people dead.

"Nearly one hundred," Carter said when asked if the war on terror had unearthed any specific number of plots. But he pointed out the FBI was not alone in eliminating these threats. "Itís part of the war on terrorism," he explained. "Itís a combined effort of the part of the US law enforcement and intelligence communities and their partners overseas." The official highlighted some of the most visible successes, including the arrest in Chicago last May of former gang member and suspected Al-Qaeda operative Jose Padilla and Septemberís discovery in Lackawanna, New York of an alleged militant cell, whose members had attended a training camp run by followers of Al-Qaeda head Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan. But Carter declined to disclose any yet unpublicized activities undertaken by the FBI and other US government agencies as part of their effort to ward off the terrorist threat to US interests worldwide.

Tenet, who spoke Wednesday at the Nixon Center, a local think tank, where he was presented a distinguished service award, pointed out that even before the September 11 attacks the CIA had brought 70 Al-Qaeda terrorists to justice around the world. "More than 1/3 of the top leadership identified before the war has been killed or captured," Tenet stated. "Almost half of our successes against senior Al-Qaeda members has come in recent months." Among those netted by the CIA were Al-Qaedaís operations chief for the Persian Gulf, a principal Al-Qaeda planner and numerous operations officers and facilitators, Tenet said. He did not give any names but said none of those taken prisoner were idle. "Indeed, every Al-Qaeda operations officer and facilitator we have captured so far, was in the midst of preparing attacks when captured," Tenet pointed out. The successes notwithstanding, the CIA director warned the United States cannot win the war on terror simply by defeating and dismantling Al-Qaeda.
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Thanks for posting that Dreadsox. It will always be difficult to measure the success of anti-terrorist efforts on a day-to-day basis. We will never really know how many plots, activities, etc., have been thwarted, delayed or hindered.
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Sorry, still not buying it. That's a lot of chest-pounding and generalities, but few specifics. The Padilla guy and the "alleged militant cell" are the only two cases specifically cited. The rest are those vague "Al-Queda" references that are thrown around now and again.
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So, all the FBI has is a few pictures, some bogus names, birthdates, and a really bad feeling about these guys? And I'm supposed to get my panties in a bunch about this and quake in my tennis shoes?
Exactly what I was gonna say.
Are we supposed to turn in any Arab looking person we see, because it might be those guys a lot of good telling us fake names and ages will do.
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An article about a United Nations Report published on December 17, 2002. It emphasizes some of the successes and the dangers still represented by the Al-Qaeda organization. Notice the last line mentions from the UN report:

"Despite significant success to date in the efforts to counter al-Qaeda and its associates, the fight is far from over."


The president himself pointed out from the start that some things we would hear about and others we would not. They are all important parts in the war against Al-Qaeda.

In reading the "Bush at War" book, I am very surprised at how much Secretary Paul O'Niel was involved in eliminating the cash flow to Al-Qaeda.

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Al-Qaeda network still at large


Massive worldwide deployment of intelligence fails to stop al-Qaeda from carrying out bloody attacks in 2002.


By Sammy Ketz - PARIS

Despite what was probably the biggest worldwide deployment of secret services ever seen, the hunt for activists of the extremist Islamic group al-Qaeda failed to prevent several bloody new attacks in the year just ending.

In a report released on December 17 the United Nations estimated that there were still some 10,000 members of the network, widely held responsible for the September 11, 2001 attacks in the United States and a series of others around the world, still at large.

Al-Qaeda, whose name means "the base" in Arabic, "continues to pose a substantial threat, globally, to peace and security," the report said.

Although it "appears to have suffered some significant disruption to its infrastructure," al-Qaeda remained "an insidious mass movement, and no country or group of countries can handle the problem alone," the report added.

In 2002 a massive deployment of forces to hunt down activists worldwide notably failed to prevent, among other incidents:

- a suicide vehicle attack which killed 21 people, 14 of them German tourists, near a synagogue on the Tunisian island of Djerba on April 11;

- a suicide bomb attack which killed 14 people on a bus, 11 of them French engineers, in the Pakistani city of Karachi on May 8;

- a suicide speedboat bomb attack on a French oil tanker off Yemen on October 6, which killed a crew member and raised fears of a campaign against industrialised countries' energy supply lines;

- a bomb attack that killed over 190 people, many of them tourists from rich countries, on the Indonesian island of Bali on October 12;

- twin anti-Israeli attacks which killed 17 people plus three suicide bombers and narrowly missed shooting down an airliner carrying hundreds of tourists near the Kenyan city of Mombasa on November 28.

All of this despite the decision by the United States, following the September 11 attacks, to promote a worldwide "war on terror," both by invading Afghanistan to root out al-Qaeda bases and by calling for help from secret services around the world.

According to the White House, a total of 122 countries to date have offered military resources for "war on terror," and some 2,700 people suspected of belonging to the al-Qaeda network have been detained around the world.

Of those the United States is keeping some 600 without trial or access to lawyers in the US base of Guantanamo, on Cuba.

The US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has announced that about 100 anti-al-Qaeda operations have been successful in the 15 months since the September 11 attacks.

The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the main US body responsible for under-cover activities outside the country, says that around a third of the people identified before September 11 as al-Qaeda operatives have been either killed or captured.

In one high-tech CIA operation that hit headlines, a pilotless military aircraft was used to fire a missile that killed six people, one of them said to be top al-Qaeda suspect Qaed Salem Sunian Al-Harthy, as they were driving in a rural area of Yemen on November 3.

Harthy was suspected of having helped organize an al-Qaeda suicide attack that killed 17 US navy sailors in a warship anchored off Yemen in October 2000.

Among alleged al-Qaeda chiefs arrested in 2002 were Abu Zubaydah, said to be a top aide to the group's leader Osama bin Laden, Ramzi bin al-Shaiba, said to have coordinated the September 11 attacks, and Mohsen al-Fadli and Abdel Rahim al-Nashiri, said to be in charge of operations in the Gulf region.

However there was continuing speculation as to whether bin Laden, who was one of the US's "most-wanted" men even before September 11, was still alive.

An audiotape said to have been made by him, and claiming responsibility for recent attacks including the Bali bombing, was broadcast by the Qatar-based Al-Jazeera TV channel on November 12.

Many officials said they believed the tape was indeed made by bin Laden, although it was technically impossible to be certain.

On December 14 the New York Times reported that US President George W. Bush has given the CIA full authorization to kill some two dozen al-Qaeda leaders in all.

They include bin Laden - assuming he is still alive - and his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri, the paper said.

Some 500 people said to be Islamic extremists linked to al-Qaeda have been arrested to date in Asia, and around 200 people are being held on similar grounds in Europe.

Just under 100 people are being detained in Middle Eastern countries, and about 50 are held in North African ones.

In the United States over 150 people are being held on various charges in relation with the inquiry into September 11, and in Latin America around 40, most of them of Lebanese origin, are in detention.

The UN report further notes that despite stepped-up financial measures, "al-Qaeda appears to still have access to substantial funding from its previously established investments... and deep-pocket supporters."

France's top anti-terrorism prosecutor, Jean-Louis Bruguiere, has meanwhile said that international cooperation to fight the network, notably in Europe, "is not good enough, given what is at stake."

The UN report concludes: "Despite significant success to date in the efforts to counter al-Qaeda and its associates, the fight is far from over."

"Much work still needs to be done."
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