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Old 12-30-2002, 10:36 PM   #16
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I think I see the point you're trying to make, Dreadsox, but I still don't see any direct threats/plots uncovered here in the States with all these detentions, arrests, bulletins, etc. Overseas there have been attacks, but what exactly have these domestic spies broken up?
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I'm glad they (gov) have their heads up enough to realize these guys might pose a danger. If they're going to round up Arabs living here, they certainly are going to want to aprehend 5 guys who entered suspiciously.

We are still berating officials for not connecting the dots leading up to 9/11, like not thinking it strange that certain foreigners would want to learn to fly a plane, and here we have a dot we could put our thumbs on, so to speak.
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Well how did these people get into your country in the first place?

How long after you let them in did the FBI relize they shouldnt be there. It is your agents at the borders and they have the right to say NO to anyone, why werent they stopped then? I see this as some agent at the border letting 5 guys through then saying afterwards that maybe he shouldnt and not the FBI getting really worried they just let in 5 terrorist. They are worried this is going to make them look bad. Dread, really who cares what other people think of your customs agents as long as you are keeping the terrorists out of your country!!!
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I agree with Martha and Sparkysgrrrl.

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I don't have time to read through everything right now, so I don't know if it's been mentioned (thus diamond's comment) but it's actually Canada that alerted the US to this in the first place.

Canada sparks U.S. manhunt
RCMP gave names, photos of five men now sought by FBI


LES WHITTINGTON
OTTAWA BUREAU

OTTAWA—A Canadian tip sparked a manhunt for five men who could be part of a larger group with Al Qaeda connections, sources said yesterday.

The tip arose out of information gleaned during a joint U.S.-Canadian investigation into fraudulent passports and visas.

The RCMP in Canada alerted the FBI to five men believed to have entered the U.S. using false passports and provided the Americans with names and photos of the men, sources said.

The five men, who are believed to be travelling on false British passports, were traced to a forger in Pakistan with links to Al Qaeda who has helped funnel other people into the United States, a senior U.S. law enforcement official told Knight Ridder Newspapers.

One law enforcement official said the men were Pakistanis, but FBI spokesman Ed Cogswell said he could not confirm that.

Based on the Canadian information, the FBI launched a nationwide search for the men, saying they could have connections to others under watch in terrorism investigations.

On Friday, the Immigration and Naturalization Service and U.S. Border Patrol headquarters issued a private alert to northern border-security agencies, telling agents to be on the lookout for a group of 19 men who may be smuggled over the border.

The alert included names and said the men might be connected to terrorism.

Officials are uncertain whether the five men actually entered the country and how many of the remaining 14 also may have crossed the border.

The FBI stressed it had no specific information any of the men are plotting terrorist actions. But the manhunt took on intense urgency across the U.S., where there are fears that terrorists could attack large crowds gathering for the New Year's holiday, especially in New York City's Times Square.

New York City police spokesperson Michael O'Looney said his department has increased its counterterrorism efforts as a result of the FBI warning.

New York Governor George Pataki said he had spoken with Tom Ridge, the director of homeland security, several times in recent days, and "there are no specific threats to New York that I have been advised of."

American law enforcement officials said the intelligence indicated the men crossed from Canada, but there was no specific information on what port of entry.

RCMP spokesperson Paul Marsh confirmed the men are believed to have entered the U.S. but there is no proof they are still there.

The FBI released photographs of five men Sunday. However, Cogswell acknowledged the FBI is not certain that the names and birth dates released with the photos are correct or that the men even entered the country.

Those sought have been identified as: Abid Noraiz Ali, Iftikhar Khozmai Ali, Mustafa Khan Owasi, Adil Pervez and Akbar Jamal, all born between 1969 and 1983.

U.S. Customs Service spokesperson Dean Boyd said inspectors along the border have stepped up their vigilance, asking more questions and increasing the number of vehicle inspections.

The intelligence information on the men came from an investigation into a worldwide smuggling operation that brings individuals with illegal passports into the United States.

The subjects of the manhunt are not those who ran the operation but likely are people who may have been smuggled across the border, Cogswell said.

The investigation of how the five men could have entered the U.S. illegally has focused on the border with Canada. "If they did come into the U.S., they could have come from Canada," FBI spokesperson Jule Miller said yesterday. "We don't know for sure."

"We don't have any information right now to guarantee these people are in the U.S.," Miller added.

Canadian sources, citing the ongoing police probe, would not comment on how the men might have reached the United States.

"The RCMP is continuing to co-operate with the FBI and the solicitor-general is aware of the situation," said Dan Brien, a spokesperson for Solicitor-General Wayne Easter.

Sources in Ottawa also declined to say how the information on the five men was developed other than to say that the RCMP is co-operating with U.S. and other police agencies in anti-terrorist investigations.

Among the locations authorities were focusing their search on is New York, based on information received from at least one intelligence source, U.S. officials said yesterday.


Because of the large New Year's Eve gathering, authorities in New York City were taking the information seriously.

Police sealed manholes and removed mailboxes yesterday as part of their preparations for the traditional Times Square celebration. Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said a couple thousand officers will be on duty, similar to last year.

Police plan to deploy undercover officers throughout the crowd and put snipers on roofs. Bomb squads will sweep the Times Square area and participants will be searched as they enter the zone.

With files from Associated Press
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You took the words right outta my mouth Mrs. Edge.

Thanks Canada for working with us!!!


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http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapc....ap/index.html

Pakistan man says he's pictured in FBI alert

LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) --A Pakistani jeweler said Wednesday his picture is among those of five suspects who the FBI says may have entered the United States on falsified passports. The man said he has never visited the United States.

An Associated Press photograph of Mohammed Asghar taken at his shop in Lahore on Wednesday was a near-perfect match for the one included on the FBI list under the name Mustafa Khan Owasi, down to the prominent mole on Asghar's left cheek.

Asghar, 30, told AP that he was surprised to open a local newspaper and see his picture with another man's name beneath it.

Asghar said his only attempt at traveling abroad was frustrated when police in the United Arab Emirates discovered he had a forged visa. He suggested that the document forgers he once patronized could have used his picture to create false travel documents for another man.

"I am a Pakistani and am living in my country, but American authorities have released my picture among those who are being traced by the FBI for entering America," Asghar said. "I have no links with any terrorist organization."

The only perceivable difference between the AP and FBI photos is that the man in the FBI photo is clean-shaven and shorter-haired. The FBI photo was presumably taken several months ago as part of Asghar's effort to buy a false visa.

Asghar, a jeweler, acknowledged that two months ago he tried to travel to Britain on forged documents. But he said that immigration officials at the airport in Dubai, in the United Arab Emirates, detected the falsification, questioned him for nine hours, arrested him and deported him back to Pakistan.

Asked if the forgers were responsible for switching the photos, Asghar said "I don't know who misused my travel documents. I don't know how my picture reached the hands of the FBI." Asghar refused to say where, or from whom, he bought the forged documents.

Asghar said he has never been to the United States. "I went to Dubai two months ago on forged documents. My destination was England, where I wanted to find a job, but Dubai police caught me."

On Sunday, the FBI released photos, names and birth dates of the five men believed to be of Middle Eastern origin and sought the public's help tracking them down for questioning. The names of those five are Abid Noraiz Ali, Iftikhar Khozmai Ali, Mustafa Khan Owasi, Adil Pervez and Akbar Jamal.

Asghar said he doesn't know any of the people on the list.

"I was shocked when I saw my picture in the newspapers and on television channels with the name of Mustafa Khan Owasi," Asghar said.

FBI agents are expanding their dragnet for a growing list of foreign-born men they believe may have entered the United States illegally from Canada in a false ID case that has heightened terrorism fears around the New Year's holiday.

Officials cautioned they have no specific evidence the men are involved in a terrorist plot, but said the men may have connections to a fake ID and smuggling ring that involves some people with terrorist connections.

Several of the men have names or passports from countries with large terrorist presences. Pakistan, while a U.S. ally in the war against terrorism, is also home to Islamic militants, and remnants of the Taliban and al-Qaida terror network are believed to be using the western part of Pakistan as a base for attacks in neighboring Afghanistan.
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ah yes, i was waiting for someone to post what sparky just did.

there is a lot of propaganda out there, and though its good the fbi is working hard on this, i really do feel theyre simply trying to come up with stuff that is actually just bogus.

i have no problem with alerts and such, in fact i think its good. but what they have to remember is, the more alerts and warrants you set out, and make it all big and glamorous, the less the public will even pay attention to it.
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i have no problem with alerts and such, in fact i think its good. but what they have to remember is, the more alerts and warrants you set out, and make it all big and glamorous, the less the public will even pay attention to it.
My fear as well. It's kind of like Fire Drills in school. By the time the students are seniors, they do not take them seriously.

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Looks More And Morel Ike A Fire Drill

No evidence men smuggled into U.S. via Akwesasne, Chief says


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A published report that five Middle Eastern men sought by the FBI may have been smuggled into the United States through the Akwesasne reserve is short on evidence, says a top reserve official.

The criticism, from Grand Chief Raymond Mitchell, was echoed by RCMP spokesman Paul Marsh, who said authorities have no evidence the men entered the U.S. through Akwesasne or anywhere else.

"We are co-operating with U.S. authorities,'' said Marsh, "but as far as I know, the idea that these five persons have been in Canada or entered the United States from Canada is totally unsubstantiated by law enforcement authorities.''

U.S. officials have cautioned they have no specific evidence the men are involved in a terrorist plot. However, they say the men may have connections to a fake ID and smuggling ring that involves some people with terrorist connections. That was enough to prompt a terrorist scare in the U.S. over the holidays.

Mitchell said Thursday that his reserve, which straddles the Ontario, Quebec and New York state borders, is being unfairly criticized despite a lack of solid evidence the men came through his territory.

"We get the blame right away, yet there's no proof they came through here,'' Mitchell said in an interview. ``I'd like to see if they have proof to back up what they're saying.''

But Mitchell acknowledged the reserve needs more money and staff to shore up border security.

Akwesasne police officers double as border security agents on the Canadian and U.S. sides of the reserve, the grand chief said.

"We do whatever we can but you're not going to catch everybody,'' he said.

A bridge connects Quebec and New York on Mohawk territory, and a second bridge runs from the nearby city of Cornwall, Ont. to the Quebec portion of the reserve. The St. Lawrence River divides the Canadian and U.S. sides.

The New York Daily News reported the reserve connection Thursday after broadcast reports a day earlier said the international hunt for the men may have started with a tip from a man sitting in a Canadian jail.

Law enforcement sources told the Daily News that smugglers operating out of Quebec may have used secret routes to avoid border crossing points. "The border up there is a sieve,'' one source told the Daily News.

CBC News and NBC News reported Wednesday that Michael John Hamdani, who has been in a Toronto jail after a massive phoney passport scheme was busted in October.

Hamdani and another man were charged with fraud in October after police in Brampton, Ont., discovered fake passports and phoney travellers' cheques.

The RCMP and officials in Solicitor General's Department refused comment on the reports that Hamdani tipped police.

In Pakistan, a jeweller has said his picture is among those of five men the FBI allege are in the United States on false passports -- even though he has never been to the United States.

An Associated Press photograph of jeweller Mohammed Asghar taken at his shop in Lahore on Wednesday closely resembles the one included on the FBI list under the name Mustafa Khan Owasi, down to a prominent mole on Asghar's left cheek.

Asghar, 30, said he was surprised to open a Pakistani newspaper and see his picture with another man's name beneath it.

Asghar said his only attempt at travelling abroad was frustrated when police in the United Arab Emirates discovered he had a forged visa. He suggested the document forgers he once patronized could have used his picture to create false travel documents for another man.

"I am a Pakistani and am living in my country but American authorities have released my picture among those who are being traced by the FBI for entering America,'' Asghar said.

"I have no links with any terrorist organization.''

The only perceivable difference between the AP and FBI photos is the man in the FBI photo is clean-shaven and shorter-haired. The FBI photo was presumably taken several months ago as part of Asghar's effort to buy a false visa.

FBI spokeswoman Angela Bell said the bureau was not able to confirm Asghar is the man in the picture and said the FBI plans to interview him in Pakistan.

Asghar acknowledged two months ago he tried to travel to Britain on forged documents. But he said immigration officials at the airport in Dubai, in the United Arab Emirates, detected the falsification, questioned him for nine hours, arrested him and deported him back to Pakistan.

Asked if the forgers were responsible for switching the photos, Asghar said: ``I don't know who misused my travel documents. I don't know how my picture reached the hands of the FBI.''

Asghar refused to say where, or from whom, he bought the forged documents and said he has never been to the United States.

"I went to Dubai two months ago on forged documents. My destination was England, where I wanted to find a job but Dubai police caught me.''

On Sunday, the FBI released photos, names and birth dates of five men believed to be of Middle Eastern origin and sought the public's help tracking them down for questioning. Their names are Abid Noraiz Ali, Iftikhar Khozmai Ali, Mustafa Khan Owasi, Adil Pervez and Akbar Jamal.

Asghar said he doesn't know any of the people on the list.

"I was shocked when I saw my picture in the newspapers and on television channels with the name of Mustafa Khan Owasi,'' Asghar said.

CBC said international police forces were contacted after detectives found $600,000 worth of phoney Thomas Cook and American Express travellers' cheques, fake Pakistan drivers' licences, counterfeit passports, stacks of passport photos, fakes of Canada's new permanent resident cards and printing machinery in Brampton.

Indian consulate officials were also called in after fake passports of Canada and India were seized by fraud squad officers.

Police later learned Hamdani is wanted in New York City by the FBI on forgery-related charges described in a mid-1990s arrest warrant.

The FBI said it would seek his extradition after the fraud charges were dealt with in Canada.

CTV News said Tuesday the information on the five men came from a smuggler arrested recently in Canada who told police his organization was paid a lot of money to smuggle 19 men _ including the five _ from Pakistan, to London, to Canada and then into the United States.

Earlier, the Toronto Sun, quoting police sources in Canada, said the men arrived at Toronto's Pearson International Airport about two weeks ago, claiming refugee status. They stayed in the Toronto area for several days before being smuggled into the United States by car.

"We are co-operating with the FBI in this search for these individuals,'' RCMP Staff Sgt. Andre Guertin said by phone from the force's Ottawa headquarters Wednesday.

"Obviously, we knew about these individuals before this information became public.''

Guertin refused to disclose any further details and questioned reports, such as comments by U.S. Senator Hillary Clinton that the five men entered New York state from Canada.
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oops, can you say backfire?

the fbi doesnt need this shit, so i dont understand why theyd release this in the first place.

like what we said in a earlier thread and your subject line says that this is a fire drill.

im not saying i want a terrorist attack (obviously), but the more they release "alerts" such as this one and nothing happens, people are going to stop paying attention all together.
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TO the Moderators.......

I did not mean to post a new post.
Could you please merge this, correct my typo, and place it with the thread about FBI Seeks 5 Men.

I promise I will not post any more after I have taken my Demerol.

TO the Readers.....

Sorry...I goofed.
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I promise I will not post any more after I have taken my Demerol.

I just shit my pants..

Demerol.. Am I the only one to catch this?.. That's a funny joke.. Kinda like Cusak's joke in American Sweethearts about the Valium.

That's some original thinking there chap.

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