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Old 10-27-2001, 01:15 PM   #46
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Dunno. How many Arabic persons in the US haven't been detained by the FBI?
Point taken, but accepting torturing make it very close to a total regime.



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Old 10-27-2001, 05:00 PM   #47
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The same reasons other 'regimes' torture suspects is the same one some of you are using now. Human rights violations are only an issue when its isn't too much of an incovenience it seems
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What reasons would those be?

Saving lives? Choosing the lesser of two evils?
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Old 10-28-2001, 09:18 AM   #49
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reasons of national security.

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As someone from the Caribbean, it also seems hyprocritical to me how the U.S.A normalizes trade with China who is just as Communist, has a worse human rights record, and poses more of a military threat to the U.S.A than CUBA.

Businesses see suddenly huge emerging markets in china and BOOM China's record is forgotten.

There's money to be made in Cuba too people.
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Human rights violations are only an issue when its isn't too much of an incovenience it seems

Maybe for you,..not for me.

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There's money to be made in Cuba too people.

No shit.. I'm just waiting for the embargo to be dropped, and am going to head to one of those impending resorts on teh beaches.. It is beautiful there
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From the vast mind of Jonah Goldberg, in an article dated October 12th:

Torture is against the law in Israel (we can't say the same about most, if not all, of her neighbors). But Israel's Supreme Court grants an exception, the so-called "ticking bomb" excuse. If Israeli authorities are positive there's a bomb about to go off somewhere which will kill untold numbers of innocents, they can use "physical pressure" or some other sanitized euphemism for torture on someone in their custody, if he has information about how to prevent it.
I still have a problem with this. I'll try to explain it by using another measure by Israel: they have granted the military permission to liquidate Palestinians suspected to be terrorists/planning terrorist attacks.
The last few months dozens of Palestinians have been attacked/killed by the Israeli military on grounds of them being terrorists. Just the mention of planning a terrorist attack is enough (and I don't think the Israeli government would care if accidentally an innocent Palestinian was killed).

Now translate this to the torture case. This law will give the police unlimited possibilities to torture. They only have to state that the suspect knows about upcoming terrorist attacks and they have permission to torture. And once you have this law it is probably easier to push the boundaries of when it becomes acceptable or not and which methods are acceptable or not...

I want to conclude with a statement that is printed in the booklet of Michael Franti & Spearhead's Stay Human (great CD BTW). The CD is about/against the death penalty and several persons have contributed soundbytes to the booklet (including Bono). Anyway, this quote is by Jello Biafra and I agree with it:
I've been against the death penalty since I was a very small child, for one simple reason. What if they've got the wrong person? And what if it happens to be me?

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