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Old 10-07-2004, 04:23 PM   #16
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Is the problem the platform of this party or that the party's platform is based on their beliefs?
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I agree or don't care enough to disagree with most of the stuff you listed (and it could get WAY more "Christian Fundamentalist" that that!!). I guess everyone has a right to speak up just like everyone has the right NOT to vote for these folks. I wouldn't vote for them either, not b/c I don't agree with them, but b/c from what was posted it seems like they place more emphasis on ethical issues than things like foreign policy and economics. Seems like their cause might be better received if they stuck to their own religious organization and not a political party.
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Is the problem the platform of this party or that the party's platform is based on their beliefs?
It is based on religious beliefs which do not fit a majority and only divide. I'd think all political parties are based on beliefs, but the difference is they are beliefs which encompass social and economic issues, not something so narrow and personal as a religious conviction.
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I'd think all political parties are based on beliefs, but the difference is they are beliefs which encompass social and economic issues, not something so narrow and personal as a religious conviction.
Again, I don't support religious political parties, but I don't think it's fair to label religion as "narrow". Religious conviction influences every aspect of a person's life and yes, it is pretty personal, but I guess if enough people are feeling the same way, they could form a political party based on their religious beliefs. I don't think that this particular political movement appropriately addresses social and economic issues, but that doesn't mean religion is seperate from these issues or that a more properly formulated platform based on religion couldn't thoroughly address social and economic issues.
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I saw this in somebody's Live Journal:



Sometimes for some of the Christian right, I think it's right on.
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Sometimes for some of the Christian right, I think it's right on.
I like that! And sadly, it's all too often true.
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Sorry Livluv, I dont mean narrow as in close minded, but that religion encompasses only so much of society - it's a narrow section of the broader community. Important and significant to some and maybe even many, but religion is not a well rounded base for political platforming. It's not about education or health or social justice. The things which I want my political party to be concerned with.

I dont think this is any clearer lol
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but....it IS about all of those things



I'm not trying to be a bitch, I just don't understand. I mean, what you said is clear, but I don't think we're on the same page. Religion is NOT just going to church on Sunday or deciding what prayer to say before a meal. Religion help me decide where I go to school, what organizations I support, what political or social issues are most important to me, who I'll vote for, what I want to do with the rest of my life, how I will raise my kids, what stock I plan on buying, where my children will go to school, what job offer I will accept, where I will live, on and on...... I don't see why I'm narrow minded for being religious....?
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I can understand if you vote based on your religous beliefs but to have a party based solely on Christian belifs excludes other religions and a good group of people who either don't believe in anything or believe in something else.

I've been reading up on the Jewish religion and found something quite interesting. If you ever see people rallying to have the Ten Commandments in schools or see the recent case in 'Bama, you see alot of Christians rallying around the Commandments. The Ten Commandments are in the Old Testament, they are supported by Jews, Christians and Muslims. So why don't you see Jews at these rallies? It is because Jews see that this is a Christian issue, that it pulls together a Christian base. They see it as a Christian power grab and therefore don't participate.

I worry about Bush's obsession with being placed in office by God, with the fever he stirs in fundamentalist Christian groups. Jewish leader originally supported the president's faith-based iniatives until those plans began to exclude Jewish groups to the point where a very very small minority of money for faith-based initiatives go to anything that is not Christian. We should have a president that supports all religions, all people. You can vote based on your religious beliefs -- mine are a factor in my voting -- but you have to also be aware of people who are completely different from you aside from your nationality. As Americans, Australians, etc. we have to watch out for each other and that includes not supporting a party that would only support you.
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I dont think you are narrow minded

I'll start again. It might be easier. And I'll use me. If I am deciding how I feel about a political party, I want to know a few key things. I want to know about health, education, social services, policing, morals, economy, their willingness to fix potholes in the road - whatever. Religion might be a part of that. But it isn't and cant be the only part or focus of it for me. And where religion comes into it, religion differs so vastly from person to person, it is very difficult to find a religious base which we can base a set of principles on which fit the greater community.
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but....it IS about all of those things



I'm not trying to be a bitch, I just don't understand. I mean, what you said is clear, but I don't think we're on the same page. Religion is NOT just going to church on Sunday or deciding what prayer to say before a meal. Religion help me decide where I go to school, what organizations I support, what political or social issues are most important to me, who I'll vote for, what I want to do with the rest of my life, how I will raise my kids, what stock I plan on buying, where my children will go to school, what job offer I will accept, where I will live, on and on...... I don't see why I'm narrow minded for being religious....?
And this is exactly why many of us don't like government based on religion. And a political party based on religious belief is a step towards a theocracy. I think it is fine for you to base all those decisions on your religion, but I don't want them determining what I do, because we see things very, very differently.
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They are a 'religious' party, although as a political outfit they try and deny that. They say they have no links to a particular religion (despite a number of them being pastors at a particular church, and many more of their leadership being from the same church) and that is where I think people are being duped.

The 'Christian' church they belong to has preached/promoted among other things, that homosexuals do not deserve to live and that their congregation should pray for the destruction of 'places where Satan lives'. This includes mosques, Hindu and Buddhist places of worship, gambling houses (casinos), anywhere that serves alcohol etc. There is plenty more than this...

You can read a lot about them here...
http://www.crikey.com.au/politics/2004/09/21-0001.html

What I think about them is that there is nothing more despicable than people like these who;

to the majority of the country hide behind the soft and cuddly "Family First" banner, which should really read "Extreme, Crazy Right Wing First".

and who to their own congregation and followers hide under the banner of "Christian". Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but the Bible is a Christian book right? And Jesus Christ is a fairly important figure to Christians right? My understanding of both was that it was a religion that preached love, tolerance, acceptance etc. I do recall Christ happily hanging with prostitutes etc. There's some phrase in there "Love thy neighbour" or something.

I have no time, cannot stand, any person or group such as Family First that preaches pure hate in the name of Christ.

As for "are they influential" time will tell. This is there first real hit at a federal election. I hope not. I'd like to think this country wouldn't accept it at all.
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And this is exactly why many of us don't like government based on religion. And a political party based on religious belief is a step towards a theocracy. I think it is fine for you to base all those decisions on your religion, but I don't want them determining what I do, because we see things very, very differently.
Yes, I agree, which I why (as I said before) I would never support a religious-based party even if I was the one that got to pick how it stands on all the issues.

Angie, I see what you're saying. I understand it now, we're just different is all. How my religion deals with issues is always the most important factor with me because it's essential to who I am and even if I tried, I couldn't segregate the two (religion and politics) b/c I can't make a decision without my own soul, lol.

Earnie, (unfortunately) I don't think this part is as extreme, crazy, or right wing as they look, compared to some. I wouldn't even label them Fundamentalist (even if that's what the think they are).
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Sometimes for some of the Christian right, I think it's right on.
Interesting, as it could describe the person wearing such a button.
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